Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[Rusty Nails]

1. I made no reference to you in my exchange with Paley, you were expressing a contrary view which is fine, not repeating the same old stuff.
2. Yeah, and, we all believe everything we read/see/hear in/from the media, don't we?
3. As I have repeatedly said, "leaders of industry" should know better than to believe everything that comes out of Politicians mouth, even us lowly CCers know better than that
4. I did agree that the Pandemic was an additional complicating factor, but, that did come late to the party. If the Pandemic is to be used as an mitigating factor for Industry, surely it is also a mitigating factor for Government? If, for example, additional HGV drivers were to be recruited/trained, they would presumably come from the ranks of the "economically inactive", otherwise, they would not be "additional" would they, so, I do not really get the connection between furlough and recruiting additional staff, (as mentioned earlier).

I honestly do not see what your problem is, I am not saying (any) Industry is 100% responsible, nor am I absolving the Government from blame, all I am saying is that some very well paid Captains of Industry, appear to have been caught napping.

If you are saying Brexit was/is a disastrous choice, if you are saying current Government are shambolic etc etc, then, yes, yes and yes again, but, that does not (IMHO) absolve industry and everyone else from trying to do the best they can, rather than feed the doom and gloom.

Do you really believe that industrialists and manufacturers are actually not doing their best they can? Why on earth would they not, if that would cost them millions and risk their existence?

People saying that Brexit was bad are still doing jobs that rely on a successful trading nation, and them saying that has absolutely no impact on the success or otherwise of Brexit, in the same way as people who constantly moaned about the useless EU did not actually do companies harm.

People who wanted Brexit had the right to moan about it if that was their view of the best way for the country to prosper, in the same way as Remainers who disagree have the same right to moan about the impact, possibly leading to changes in the links with the EU.

Can you give details of how Remainers "feeding the doom and gloom" have made actual, demonstrable differences to the outcomes. It is government, not remainers, who have caused the problems like NI, fishing, EU trade falling etc. And certainly nowhere near an equal responsibility with employers and other Remainers criticising them.

 

[stowie]

You could be right. In my working life, a distant memory, I was a "solutions person", not a "nothing can be done" person. My solutions did not always work, as intended, or, indeed at all, but, I was always "in it to fix it". Perhaps, a good job we are not all the same, how boring would life be?

I cannot get behind this government's policies. Doesn't mean I don't have proposal to fix it. I too am a "solutions person".

I think Brexit is unfixable with this government in charge. So the first part of the solution has to be getting rid of this government.

 

[BoldonLad]

Do you really believe that industrialists and manufacturers are actually not doing their best they can? Why on earth would they not, if that would cost them millions and risk their existence?

People saying that Brexit was bad are still doing jobs that rely on a successful trading nation, and them saying that has absolutely no impact on the success or otherwise of Brexit, in the same way as people who constantly moaned about the useless EU did not actually do companies harm.

People who wanted Brexit had the right to moan about it if that was their view of the best way for the country to prosper, in the same way as Remainers who disagree have the same right to moan about the impact, possibly leading to changes in the links with the EU.

Can you give details of how Remainers "feeding the doom and gloom" have made actual, demonstrable differences to the outcomes. It is government, not remainers, who have caused the problems like NI, fishing, EU trade falling etc. And certainly nowhere near an equal responsibility with employers and other Remainers criticising them.

That would imply a strong connection between reward and performance at the top level, not a commonly held belief on here, I would guess, but, I could be wrong, I have not polled all members.

I have not said that "Remainers" are doing this, I have no idea how individuals voted (nor should I). I know I voted "Remain", and, while I am very dissatisfied with the outcome, I trust I have avoided Doom and gloom.

I don't think I ever said "equal responsibility", I believe I said "some responsibility".

 

[BoldonLad]

I cannot get behind this government's policies. Doesn't mean I don't have proposal to fix it. I too am a "solutions person".

I think Brexit is unfixable with this government in charge. So the first part of the solution has to be getting rid of this government.

Fair enough, if that is your view. Can't say I disagree. In the mean time......... ?

 

[Rusty Nails]

That would imply a strong connection between reward and performance at the top level, not a commonly held belief on here, I would guess, but, I could be wrong, I have not polled all members.

I am talking about companies not wanting to damage their prospects, which in most cases would be the aim and in the best interests of the managers and owners of those companies, and nothing to do with the link between top level reward and performance. Do you believe they would actively damage their own companies?

I have not said that "Remainers" are doing this, I have no idea how individuals voted (nor should I). I know I voted "Remain", and, while I am very dissatisfied with the outcome, I trust I have avoided Doom and gloom.

I would hazard a guess that most "moaners" are Remainers. Because, of course those who voted Leave are much less likely to admit it or moan because it would make them look like suckers who had been duped. Has your avoidance of doom and gloom helped Brexit in any practical way?

I don't think I ever said "equal responsibility", I believe I said "some responsibility".

You are right. I am quite happy to accept 99% government responsibility, or a close approximation, if you think those are more acceptable figures.

 

[BoldonLad]

I am talking about companies not wanting to damage their prospects, which in most cases would be the aim and in the best interests of the managers and owners of those companies, and nothing to do with the link between top level reward and performance. Do you believe they would actively damage their own companies?

I would hazard a guess that most "moaners" are Remainers. Because, of course those who voted Leave are much less likely to admit it or moan because it would make them look like suckers who had been duped. Has your avoidance of doom and gloom helped Brexit in any practical way?

You are right. I am quite happy to accept 99% government responsibility, or a close approximation, if you think those are more acceptable figures.

I think there is a degree of putting words in my mouth here.

I did not say “actively damage”, I was suggesting a degree of incompetence/ apathy/ complacency.

As a retiree, not sure how I can improve brexit, except that moaning seldom helps any situation, in my experience, so, I tend to avoid it.

I didn’t say 99%, I said some.

You of course are welcome to have your own view.

 

[newfhouse]

not sure how I can improve brexit

Glitter?

 

[stowie]

Fair enough, if that is your view. Can't say I disagree. In the mean time......... ?

Put it this way. If someone asked you to train an Orangutan to perform open heart surgery, I think it is a rational response to assume any amount of effort or solution planning or strategy analysis will have only a very marginal effect on the eventual outcome. Which is likely to be bloody and not great for anyone involved in the exercise.

So it is with Brexit. Johnson cannot deliver a Brexit that works. He can barely deliver a Brexit that simply stumbles around wondering why there are so many problems. It is not an efficient use of our time on this planet to try to get him or his government to perform.

In the meantime, I am hunkering down and planning for myself and my family to mitigate the effects of this government, both with Brexit and the myriad of other challenges that this shambles of a government will fail to meet. It sounds rather selfish, I know. But that seems to be the done thing these days. No such thing as society!

 

[FishFright]

Glitter?

Gary ????

 

[Fab Foodie]

Winning!
Intel not considering UK chip factory after Brexit https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58820599

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Winning!
Intel not considering UK chip factory after Brexit https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58820599

The government's had 5 years to plan against this happening....

 

[newfhouse]

Gary ????

“You can’t polish a turd but you can decorate it with glitter.”

 

[stowie]

Winning!
Intel not considering UK chip factory after Brexit https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58820599

This is hugely disappointing. The semiconductor industry is going through some big, big changes at the moment. The investment into fabs is enormous with high skilled, high wage jobs.

TSMC (makes around 56% of all semiconductors and approx 90% of all high end processors) is looking at Germany for new fab.

The semiconductor world is changing with onshoring being a thing after years of aggregation to a few huge companies (mostly based in Asia).

It might all sound a bit niche, but semiconductors are in a huge proportion of things we buy. Not to mention the things we/governments rely upon for national security and critical services. Global supply is in crisis at the moment, and there will be winners out of the mess. The UK isn't looking like being one of them.

 

[Archie_tect]

isn't the shortage of semi-conductors world-wide the reason why there are so many delays in production for everything using one and why prices are rising so rapidly? Sounds like a good reason for the UK Government to invest in building a factory and the infrastructure to have a source here regardless of where we get them from now. I'd rather they built a semi-conductor factory rather than the next Trident.

 

[icowden]

Sounds like a good reason for the UK Government to invest in building a factory and the infrastructure to have a source here regardless of where we get them from now. I'd rather they built a semi-conductor factory rather than the next Trident.

Sounds great. Now how do we trade them with the largest trading block in the world, given that we haven't got a proper trading relationship?
How do we get them to purchase our semi-conductors instead of from countries that they already have trading relationships with?
How do we make our semi-conductors cheap enough given the reliance on sweat shops and slave labour in the East?