Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[Electric_Andy]

So yes actually you do sound rude, to accuse me of that .

Oh well. Shep is also rude so the balance is restored. He won't care if I say that, and nor should you.

 

[mudsticks]

Oh well. Shep is also rude so the balance is restored. He won't care if I say that, and nor should you.

Nah don't worry, I don't really give a shoot what you think of me 👍🏼👍🏼

 

[Deleted member 28]

No, not like before, no visa was required, no time limit either.

And now you can tell us what anyone has gained by this..

Or if you prefer..






Has anyone gained anything??

Simple yes or no will do..

Although what that 'gain' actually is would be 'interesting'

So he can go and work there just like before, and no there is no gain but it's not me making out my kid has been prevented from doing something is it?

Couldn't he be arsed applying for a visa or did he have no intention of doing it at all and you've just made it up in order to whine about something that really had no affect on you at all?

 

[Fab Foodie]

So there we have it folks, once again, not a single benefit proffered to counterbalance those we have lost.

Time for the traditional CC Average White Band choon, but I can't be arsed to post a link....

 

[Rusty Nails]

I have given up trying to ask people the benefits, or to show them how it has not worked. Even though they can see, people will just get defensive and not answer so you just have to wait until political opportunities come to improve our trade and other relationships with the EU and hope that they will quietly recognise their error or that they were sold a pup and support those moves.

 

[fozy tornip]

I never thought this day would come @shep, I am about to support @mudsticks view, against yours, as much as I your down to earth humour may appeal to my sense of humour.

What has happened here is that people of all ages have lost the freedom to just go and study/work/holiday/skive/whatever, over an enormous area of mainland Europe, just as easily as they could formerly (and still can) decide to decamp to any part of the UK. For oldies, like me, the impact is possibly minimal, I have to limit my wintering in Southern Europe to 90 days (or, mess about getting a visa), where-as, before, I could just go, without a care in the world, and, stay as long as I liked. The impact for young people (my children, grandchildren) is much more significant. Their "pond" for freely roaming, with no paperwork (beyond a passport) required, has shrunk, from the whole of the EU, to our little island. Personally, I don't think it terribly relevant if their plan was to study Nuclear Physics, work in a bar, or, sit on the beach.

The above is only some of what we have lost, to an extent, you could even say, just the fun things, but, we can no longer export of our products (without additional paperwork and costs), we can no longer buy products and services from the EU, except by incurring additional costs and paperwork.

It doesn't really matter if the "red-tape" is minimal, or, costs very little (both of which I doubt), no matter how minimal it is, it is not as minimal as before Brexit (which was none, no red-tape, ie, my pre-journey planning for a trip to Barcelona, in our motorhome, required no increase in preparation or paper-work than a trip to Birmingham).

All of the above could, perhaps, be regarded as acceptable, if we had actually GAINED some advantages, but, so far at least, a dark blue passport instead of a burgundy one (which I think we could have had anyway), somehow does not quite seem like a bargain, to me.

As for the "Control of our Borders" crap (which, to be fair was never a major thing to me personally anyway), I think the new wave of wealthy people smugglers tells us who has control of what, we may as well just put a free ferry crossing on and save the south coast being littered with discarded rubber boats.

Fuck me: about time.

I'm getting this sort of vibe:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OugP3Onyxwk

 

[Milkfloat]

So he can go and work there just like before, and no there is no gain but it's not me making out my kid has been prevented from doing something is it?

Couldn't he be arsed applying for a visa or did he have no intention of doing it at all and you've just made it up in order to whine about something that really had no affect on you at all?

No, it is not that simple. Read what you need to do, or more importantly have your employer in Portugal do. Let’s be honest, are the majority of potential employers going to do this when then can just hire an EU citizen?
https://www.globalization-partners.com/globalpedia/portugal-employer-of-record/work-visas/#content

 

[Mugshot]

Thought it meant both?

The EU still has FOM.

 

[Beebo]

Oops. The Brexit leaving bill goes up by £10billion.
They let that slip out on the last day of parliament.
Who remembers being told that the EU may even owe us money.

https://apple.news/AwAuQoYQbSSOTcx7JZwiysQ

 

[Mr Celine]

Just back to the sunny uplands from my first post-Brexit European holiday with some (OK none) winning examples.

1. As detailed in a thread on the mothership no one could confirm if our paper-only driving licences were still valid. Two IDPs required at £5.50 each.

2. Had to buy a UK sticker because the europlates on the car are no longer valid.

3. Have to arrive earlier at the ferry terminal. Then instead of loading taking 30 mins there is a 90 minute zig-zag theme park type queue of constant stop start driving.

4. Unloading at Amsterdam takes 40 mins longer than usual. The lorry deck has to unload first but they can't just drive away, they have to be marshalled into a very small area awaiting their checks while the cars are unloaded. Our passports have to be stamped. I apologise for them being the wrong colour, the Dutch official laughs and says they're not even blue.

5.Return via our first trip through the Channel Tunnel. All very smooth, apparently because 'taking back control' means not having any. There are now limits on how much booze etc you can bring back, like there were 30 years ago but no one even asked how much we had.
It's also the first return to the UK where I haven't been asked to open the top box.
(Next time I'll hide an asylum seeker in it and drop him off in Numbnuts neck of the woods.)

6.Just got up to speed on the M20 when a 50mph contraflow begins. For 10 miles, which seemed a tad excessive as the queue of stationary lorries on what should be the other carriageway only stretched for 7.

So yes, we can still go to the EU for holidays but only with extra and unnecessary expense and time wasted.

 

[icowden]

No, it is not that simple. Read what you need to do, or more importantly have your employer in Portugal do. Let’s be honest, are the majority of potential employers going to do this when then can just hire an EU citizen?

It's also worth pointing out that backpacking around Europe used to be a good gap year option. You could spend a considerable period of time expanding your horizons but also top up your finances by taking on temporary jobs as you needed. To do the same now would involve trying to find established vacancies for a precise period of time in each EU country you went to.

 

[Beebo]

5.Return via our first trip through the Channel Tunnel. All very smooth, apparently because 'taking back control' means not having any. There are now limits on how much booze etc you can bring back, like there were 30 years ago but no one even asked how much we had.
It's also the first return to the UK where I haven't been asked to open the top box.
(Next time I'll hide an asylum seeker in it and drop him off in Numbnuts neck of the woods.)

The most concerning example is this one.
We are deliberately making no checks to keep the border fluid. Every wrongun knows this, ignoring the possibility of human trafficking, we will be flooded with all sorts of dodgy crap. Expect Romanian horsemeat burgers on your table any time soon.
It’s one of the reasons why the Northern Irish border is such a hot topic, as the EU know we aren’t checking stuff so any old shite could wash through into Eire.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

So yes, we can still go to the EU for holidays but only with extra and unnecessary expense and time wasted.

And just to underline your point, here’s a fresh story on the BBC. But of course, it’s all the fault of the French…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-62263176

The Port of Dover has declared a "critical incident" because of long queues leading to the ferry terminal. ​

Boss Doug Bannister told BBC Radio Kent the port had been "badly let down" by the French border controls.​

He said they were "insufficiently resourced" in France and working slower than normal, leading to significant congestion.​

National Highways said the weekend was expected to be one of the busiest periods of the year for holidaymakers. ​

The Port has accused the French authorities of ruining the summer getaway for thousands of families.​

Holidaymakers booked on sailings from Dover have reported being stuck in five-hour queues to complete border checks before they can check in for their ferry.​

The port said in a statement it had made "significant investment" to increase its capacity, and shared traffic volume forecasts "in granular detail with the French authorities".​

 

[Deleted member 28]

The EU still has FOM.

I know that, when I said 'both ' I'm referring to the FOM between the UK and EU not within the EU!

Give me some credit.

 

[jowwy]

So what people are really saying is that " their kids can no longer doss around europe on their parents credit cards or wracking up huge debt, so have to get a job in the UK and pay taxes instead"

Huge benefit to the UK right there and to the kids not wracking up debt, will get plenty of work experience and if they work hard they will feel better for it, rather than dossing around europe doing feck all.