Cirrus
Well-Known Member
Clearly just helping the Welsh with their gripping point…
Reform, and the death of the Tory Party
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Clearly just helping the Welsh with their gripping point…
OP
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briantrumpet
Guru
As little as I like Corbyn (he's essentially a populist at the other end of the spectrum), the comparison is telling.
Psamathe
Veteran
Amazing thing is that for several Governments of different persuasions they've all done the same, promising the Moon and more and then once elected failing to deliver. Aspect I'm finding surprising is that people keep falling for it again and again never actually learning from past experience.
Maybe the electorate is at the point where one has to stand back and just watch them get what they voted for, sort of "I give-up, if people are that stupid then let them bear the consequences of their decisions".
People may be sick of Conservatives (disaster), Labour (more simple solutions that are failing to deliver) but to vote for such unproven fools selling hate ... what has this country become? There are still alternatives though BBC don't seem to like them much (even though they have more MPs than Reform and are thus a more significant player in our legislature).
secretsqirrel
Active Member
Not sure I would call him a populist?
He doesn’t appear to waver from his core principles and in reference of another post (where you quoted Tony Benn) I would regard him as a ‘Signpost‘. Does what it says on the tin, like Thatcher.
However, he is naive and not a leader (unlike Farage). His value is as a backbencher who understands the role of parliamentarian and is a thorn in the side of the government of whatever party e.g. his Gaza (Independent Public Enquiry) Bill.
Pross
Active Member
Agreed. I’d never vote for him but he has an ethos that he sticks with. Had he won an election we’d have seen that ethos proven to be nonsense but I doubt he’d have changed tack.
presta
Regular
I said that Brexit needs to be a disaster, then be seen to be a disaster, and we got the former but not the latter, it seems.
"People laughed when I said I'd be prime minister. Well, they're not laughing now, are they."
Nigel Farage, Downing Street, 2029.
Psamathe
Veteran
And our current political classes are scared to call out the disaster it is. Thus they won't address its failings without calling out the cause and instead give Faragẽ the opportunity he needs.
pinkbikini
Member
The BBC give excess publicity to a bunch of populist peanuts (sigh. No fruity language. Of course I meant arrisholes) like Farage in order to chase clicks. They’ve been politically compromised and coerced for a while now.
OP
OP
briantrumpet
Guru
They seem to be giving Farage a free pass on everything - both his history and his racist/xenophobic policies.
C R
Guru
It is a lot harder to be this sanguine when you're potentially at the blunt end of some of the consequences, the way people like me and my family are.
Psamathe
Veteran
I find it hard as well but Conservatives- do they still even exist; Labour - not even trying to think about anything not pushing back; and Reform - basking in their continuing BBC platform snd probably not believing the other parties giving them such a free ride.
And the electorate won't take the few minutes to realise what Reform are and just Con/Lab are a disaster (true) so at least Reform are not Con/Lab (hardly a solid basis for choosing a Government).
Like Starmer wittering on about how the electorate voted for change - no they didn't, they voted for improvement. Change gor the worse wasn't the desire of the electorate.
pinkbikini
Member
I listen to a few political podcasts, and the theme (which I agree with) is incredulity that Farage/Reform get so much media coverage vs. LibDems, who have a far larger electoral presence. I think It’s a race for clicks and the BBC have abandoned any principles they may have had previously.
Psamathe
Veteran
The Rest Is Politics (podcast) raised this and had turned out a list of recent Ed Davey speeches and the subjects they mentioned sounded really sensible and significant and relevant yet TRIP raised it only in the context of Reform and the coverage they were getting and made me realise that I'd heard nothing of these Lib Dem efforts, no coverage in the various mainstream sources I use.
(I think it was TRIP, but possible a different podcast)
BoldonLad
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I agree that "not party X" is not a solid way to choose a Government, but, that is exactly what happened last time, and, look where we are?
matticus
Guru
Reform view on migrants backed by ITV Chief Political Correspondent Rylan Clark:
‘’Here’s the hotel, here’s the phone, here’s the iPad, here’s the NHS in reception of your hotel, here’s three meals a day, here’s a games room in the hotel, have a lovely time, welcome’. And then there’s people that have lived here all their lives, that are struggling."
WARNING: contains actual video of Rylan speaking and people nodding https://metro.co.uk/2025/08/28/rylan-clarks-immigration-rant-this-morning-wrong-dangerous-24020030/
‘’Here’s the hotel, here’s the phone, here’s the iPad, here’s the NHS in reception of your hotel, here’s three meals a day, here’s a games room in the hotel, have a lovely time, welcome’. And then there’s people that have lived here all their lives, that are struggling."
WARNING: contains actual video of Rylan speaking and people nodding https://metro.co.uk/2025/08/28/rylan-clarks-immigration-rant-this-morning-wrong-dangerous-24020030/
