Starmer's vision quest

[winjim]

At least we found the one principle for which he'll make a stand

Well IMO the principled thing to do would be for the shadow ministers to resign before the vote. If not then it seems like they're deliberately attempting to undermine Starmer's leadership.

 

[Xipe Totec]

Well IMO the principled thing to do would be for the shadow ministers to resign before the vote. If not then it seems like they're deliberately attempting to undermine Starmer's leadership.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

[winjim]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Well I'd prefer them to act on principle and not play silly buggers.

 

[newfhouse]

Ain't gownner be no ceasefire.

That misses the point.

 

[multitool]

That misses the point.

It is the point

 

[newfhouse]

It is the point

No.

It’s possible to be pessimistic without being complicit.

 

[Rusty Nails]

That misses the point.

You went on a peace march a week or so I believe. Did you think that that would result in a ceasefire? If you didn't what was the point?

Was it to support a principle or was it because you thought "we need a futile gesture at this stage"?

 

[newfhouse]

You went on a peace march a week or so I believe. Did you think that that would result in a ceasefire? If you didn't what was the point?

Was it to support a principle or was it because you thought "we need a futile gesture at this stage"?

Probably futile. I wish I could do more.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Probably futile. I wish I could do more.

Sorry, I messed up my response which was meant to be to this post by @multitool who also went on a peace march.

It is the point

 

[multitool]

You went on a peace march a week or so I believe. Did you think that that would result in a ceasefire? If you didn't what was the point?

Was it to support a principle or was it because you thought "we need a futile gesture at this stage"?

No. Protest at extreme violence and mass civilian deaths. Yes. No.

 

[Rusty Nails]

No. Protest at extreme violence and mass civilian deaths. Yes. No.

So the point was not to bring about a reduction in the extreme violence and mass civilian deaths but to register your protest as a point of principle?

A bit like those Labour MPs.

To an extent I believe that the peace marches and MP votes are both principled and futile, but they may help inform and influence our politicians rather than those of other countries. A little bit of self-indulgence but nothing wrong with that occasionally if it makes people feel a bit better about themselves.

 

[multitool]

It's all part of the bigger picture.

. A little bit of self-indulgence but nothing wrong with that occasionally if it makes people feel a bit better about themselves.

Prick.

 

[Rusty Nails]

It's all part of the bigger picture.



Prick.

Touchy! That was genuinely not intended as a criticism of you in any way, or even about you, but a general point about human nature and the importance of doing things that make one feel good about oneself once in a while.

Everything is part of a bigger picture, or as the Asda Tesco () ad says: "every little helps".

 

[Deleted member 49]

Everything is part of a bigger picture, or as the Asda ad says: "every little helps".

Thought that was Tesco .....thick tw@t !

 

[Rusty Nails]

Thought that was Tesco .....thick tw@t !

My only excuse is that I would not shop at anywhere other than Waitrose and I misheard what our cleaning lady said about her shopping habits the other day.