Starmer's vision quest

[multitool]

What Labour have also done in Scotland is tell people to vote Conservative, and have Anas Sarwar as leader.

Well people arent listening to Labour then, are they, because the big shift is in support to Labour

You don't address this which is kind of weird.

That's because, as I've said, I'm only interested in Scottish politics in so far as it affects me. Beyond that it isn't any of my business.
 

I'll continue to cheer on the SNP.

I won't because I don't live in Scotland. But if I did, and I felt independence was the best option then so would I.

 

[multitool]

Which, being the opinion of most Westminster labour politicians (the Tories feel free to treat us with contempt) is precisely why the SNP exists.

Indeed.

As I've said, what Scotland does is up to Scotland and nothing to do with me, beyond the effect it has on who sits at Westminster.

I will say this though, the majority of Scots don't want an independent country, so Scotland will continue to have an effect on me, at least in the near future. A positive one I hope.

 

[AndyRM]

Indeed.

As I've said, what Scotland does is up to Scotland and nothing to do with me, beyond the effect it has on who sits at Westminster.

I will say this though, the majority of Scots don't want an independent country, so Scotland will continue to have an effect on me, at least in the near future. A positive one I hope.

At least you didn't call us Scotch.

 

[multitool]

My children are 1/4 Scotch

 

[AndyRM]

My children are 1/4 Scotch

I hope they vote for the SNP.

 

[AndyRM]

Indeed.

As I've said, what Scotland does is up to Scotland and nothing to do with me, beyond the effect it has on who sits at Westminster.

I will say this though, the majority of Scots don't want an independent country, so Scotland will continue to have an effect on me, at least in the near future. A positive one I hope.

I appreciate that we have very different views on Scotland, but the only reason for the "No" vote was because when it looked seriously like "Yes" was going to happen Westminster fired their leaders North on a grovelling mission.

There was also a lot of concern about whether or not Scotland would still be allowed to use sterling, which was frankly ridiculous.

The media was also unbelievably hostile towards the SNP, and remains so.

It's a sh!te state of affairs.

 

[BoldonLad]

I think these opinion polls tell you something interesting about dwindling support for SNP and Labour gains in Scotland regardless.

Of course, come the election the result won't look like this. But it won't look like the 2019 & 2021 elections either.

No axe to grind either way.... we will see what happens on the day

 

[BoldonLad]

I'm aware of what my opinion is.

It's informed by what Labour have done in Scotland. Which isn't much.

Sadly, if the North East of England (which has been neglected by both parties) is anything to go by, a significant proportion of the electorate will still vote Labour.

 

[AndyRM]

Sadly, if the North East of England (which has been neglected by both parties) is anything to go by, a significant proportion of the electorate will still vote Labour.

Well exactly, I don't know why you needed a winky face because it's not a joke at all.

We deserve better than "Well it's not the Tories", not just in the North East and Scotland.

 

[multitool]

It's the voters you should be addressing that to rather than the political parties.

The parties shape their offer according to what will appeal* to the electorate

*yes, I know that this is heavily shaped by partisan media

 

[AndyRM]

It's the voters you should be addressing that to rather than the political parties.

The parties shape their offer according to what will appeal* to the electorate

*yes, I know that this is heavily shaped by partisan media

Well, yeah, I know and I don't disagree but unfortunately my political clout doesn't extend particularly far.

That said, it's next to impossible as a politician around here considering how fickle can be. Over the years I've been involved with a couple of activism groups (RCG and TCAR) and ended up having to leave because of folks' totally warped political ideas.

One particularly confused fella boggled my mind because I met him at an RCG event and it was only after we'd been dating for a few months that he admitted to also being a member of UKIP...

 

[multitool]

Here's the latest Yougov polling on Scotland voting intention.

Labour now clearly ahead of SNP.

(don't shoot the messenger)

 

[AndyRM]

Here's the latest Yougov polling on Scotland voting intention.

Labour now clearly ahead of SNP.

(don't shoot the messenger)

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That's a fairly blinkered/knee jerk way of looking at things I think.

The SNP has taken an absolute battering recently, of course Labour are going to look more appealing.

I quite like how the graph resembles a lanternfish though.

 

[multitool]

That's a fairly blinkered/knee jerk way of looking at things I think.

The SNP has taken an absolute battering recently, of course Labour are going to look more appealing.

I quite like how the graph resembles a lanternfish though.

It isn't a "way of looking at things". I haven't interpreted anything other than noting that 39 is a much bigger number than 29.

Of course there will be a myriad of reasons why. Here are my suggestions:

1. The SNP lost a leader to fraud allegations.

2. The next leader threw in the towel after a defeat

3. Labour are no longer led by Jeremy Corbyn and they are engaging in electoral politics rather than student politics. Regardless of how you feel about it, it seems to have some appeal to voters.

 

[C R]

3. Labour are no longer led by Jeremy Corbyn and they are engaging in electoral politics rather than student politics. Regardless of how you feel about it, it seems to have some appeal to voters.

We know, because you keep telling us,that Starmer is not Corbyn, or Sunak or the SNP. You keep telling us what he isn't, but what we want to know is what he is.