Starmer's vision quest

[qigong chimp]

Please may I have my vote back?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Please may I have my vote back?

No problem. You can have it back in five years.

 

[multitool]

Then it's still perfectly legal and Steve Reed MP is gaslighting the electorate.

Reed says he has an agreement with the water companies about investment, which at face value looks as if they have agreed to amend their practices without necessarily being forced to by a law which does not yet exist.

It's such a major issue, and so readily measureable, that I can't see gaslighted as an effective strategy.

 

[qigong chimp]

Face-eating leopards undertake, voluntarily, to refrain from eating faces.

 

[qigong chimp]

We're all paying to watch.

 

[qigong chimp]

Water profits aren't coming home.

 

[multitool]

Water profits aren't coming home.

Where do you want the money for infrastructure improvements to come from?

Because it won't be coming from shareholders, and the water companies have borrowed hugely. You can't charge them with crimes against laws that don't exist. And you can't make up retrospective laws with which to charge them.

If you nationalise them, you nationalise their debt. £15 billion in the case of Thames.

So what is your solution? In plain terms, please, no ethereal waffle.

 

[qigong chimp]

Ethereal?

Take water back into public ownership.

Then you wouldn't need 'powerful' public panels, or the risible nonsense of privatised water companies changing "their constitutions to place customers and the environment at the heart of their objectives."

What was previously at the 'heart' of their objectives, pray?

What am I hearing? That water companies will be doing Bono's laundry for free?

This is indefensible shit, and not the (best) hill for you to die on.

 

[multitool]

Ownership is not necessarily the most important factor. It's regulation. This much is clear from the differing experiences of water in the devolved parts of the UK.

Reading between the lines, Reed is threatening the water companies with a restructuring of Ofwat. It's a start.

 

[qigong chimp]

Ownership is necessarily the most important factor.

 

[icowden]

Take water back into public ownership.

@multitool just pointed out to you that do to that you have to take on the debt. If you did that for all water companies, that's 70bn or so of debt.
That's a lot of mazola.

 

[theclaud]

Reed is threatening the water companies with a restructuring of Ofwat. It's a start.

LOL.

 

[Rusty Nails]

@multitool just pointed out to you that do to that you have to take on the debt. If you did that for all water companies, that's 70bn or so of debt.
That's a lot of mazola.

Yeah but public ownership, innit.


It is not the only way.

 

[theclaud]

This thread is illustrative of the scale of the criminal negligence. I've got pals who live on a boat just down the river from Powlesland. Nationalise now, without compensation.


View: https://x.com/paulpowlesland/status/1811716257315459262

 

[multitool]

LOL.

Thankyou for your valued contribution, caller.