Starmer's vision quest

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CXRAndy

CXRAndy

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Women and girls are far less safe in Europe in the last 10 years as a consequence of mass immigration



View: https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1889054106741797023?t=rZf7uD4xRjVd6an0YKkm3Q&s=19


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-figures-prove-the-folly-of-mass-immigration/
 
glasgowcyclist

glasgowcyclist

Über Member
matticus said:
Are there no Scotttish F*ckwits? If so, you must be blessed ...
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Of course there are. We’ve got this pair for a start:
Labour’s branch manager in Scotland, Anas Sarwar

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and his sidekick, Jackie Baillie

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icowden

icowden

Squire
CXRAndy said:
They never had any real intentions
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Lets do some research, because you can't.

The population of illegal migrants oscillates between 417,000 and 863,000. Of those, at the end of 2024 financial year there were 38,546 irregular arrivals, 81% of whom arrived in small boats.

In the same year there were 29,510 asylum applicants, 241 of which received an initial decision. That's 1%. 50 were approved to stay and 191 refused.

So far so much fun.

Let's look at the latest stats for year end September 2024:
  • Irregular arrivals: 36,949 of which 29,851 were via small boats (average 3079 per month)
  • Returns: 12382. This is 41% more enforced returns than the previous year and 29% more FNO returns (1031 per month average)
So yes, we have more people arriving than leaving. This is because some people have a genuine asylum claim.
More importantly, the number of people waiting for their claims to be processed has increased from around 6000 in 2010 to a peak of around 170,000 in 2023. Something happened in 2024 and numbers went down by a third. To be fair, outcomes also increased during 2022 and 2023.

The assertion is correct, but not in the way that it is posted. We need to be processing the claims a *lot* faster. People who have been processed can work, pay tax and National Insurance. They can pay for us, instead of us paying for them.

Now - this may stretch your little grey cells too far, but the best way to control migration is to understand why it is happening. Illegal immigration rose hugely between 2018 and today. The biggest groups are:-
  • Afghans - the Taliban took over in 2021. Weirdly there was a huge uptick in Afghanis wanting to move to the UK. Possibly related to the imposition of severe religious rule, the suppression of women and the friendly help the Brits had given them before buggering off.
  • Iranians - Iran has become progressively more authoritarian and anti women. Following the protests in 2022 there was brutal suppression triggering a wave of iranians seeking asylum rather than returning to be killed.
  • Syria - apparently there has been a war on for about 12 years. Something to do with the UK and USA destabilising the region plus a Turkish invasion in 2016, a major offensive in 2019 and a further one in 2024...
  • Vietnamese - this one's different. There is mass poverty in Vietnam, and a good vietnamese network in the UK. They know that they can make good money here, compared to their own country and find friends and relatives.
  • Eritrea - Ethopia carried out mass deportations of Eritreans in 2023 - those returning to Eritrea suffered torture, ill treatment , trafficking, arbitrary detention etc...
And so on. If you want to stop asylum seekers then more work is needed to get rid of repressive governments and stabilise the middle east. The problem with immigration is one the UK helped create over the last 15 years. The Conservative Government have just made the problem worse by treating people as if they are worthless scroungers instead of potentially skilled workers.
 
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CXRAndy

CXRAndy

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I agree the doors opened by Blair, continued under Tories, now continuing under Starmer.

It is the biggest political hot potato Starmer will not deal with.

It will be his downfall
 
Rusty Nails

Rusty Nails

Country Member
icowden said:
Lets do some research, because you can't.

The population of illegal migrants oscillates between 417,000 and 863,000. Of those, at the end of 2024 financial year there were 38,546 irregular arrivals, 81% of whom arrived in small boats.

In the same year there were 29,510 asylum applicants, 241 of which received an initial decision. That's 1%. 50 were approved to stay and 191 refused.

So far so much fun.

Let's look at the latest stats for year end September 2024:
  • Irregular arrivals: 36,949 of which 29,851 were via small boats (average 3079 per month)
  • Returns: 12382. This is 41% more enforced returns than the previous year and 29% more FNO returns (1031 per month average)
So yes, we have more people arriving than leaving. This is because some people have a genuine asylum claim.
More importantly, the number of people waiting for their claims to be processed has increased from around 6000 in 2010 to a peak of around 170,000 in 2023. Something happened in 2024 and numbers went down by a third. To be fair, outcomes also increased during 2022 and 2023.

The assertion is correct, but not in the way that it is posted. We need to be processing the claims a *lot* faster. People who have been processed can work, pay tax and National Insurance. They can pay for us, instead of us paying for them.

Now - this may stretch your little grey cells too far, but the best way to control migration is to understand why it is happening. Illegal immigration rose hugely between 2018 and today. The biggest groups are:-
  • Afghans - the Taliban took over in 2021. Weirdly there was a huge uptick in Afghanis wanting to move to the UK. Possibly related to the imposition of severe religious rule, the suppression of women and the friendly help the Brits had given them before buggering off.
  • Iranians - Iran has become progressively more authoritarian and anti women. Following the protests in 2022 there was brutal suppression triggering a wave of iranians seeking asylum rather than returning to be killed.
  • Syria - apparently there has been a war on for about 12 years. Something to do with the UK and USA destabilising the region plus a Turkish invasion in 2016, a major offensive in 2019 and a further one in 2024...
  • Vietnamese - this one's different. There is mass poverty in Vietnam, and a good vietnamese network in the UK. They know that they can make good money here, compared to their own country and find friends and relatives.
  • Eritrea - Ethopia carried out mass deportations of Eritreans in 2023 - those returning to Eritrea suffered torture, ill treatment , trafficking, arbitrary detention etc...
And so on. If you want to stop asylum seekers then more work is needed to get rid of repressive governments and stabilise the middle east. The problem with immigration is one the UK helped create over the last 15 years. The Conservative Government have just made the problem worse by treating people as if they are worthless scroungers instead of potentially skilled workers.
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Xipe Totec

Xipe Totec

Something nasty in the woodshed
I am starting to give serious credence to the idea that the next phase of the McSweeney/Starmer 'Labour' project is the entirely intentional & targeted alienation of their progressive voter base, for exactly the same reason they wilfully purged the left from the party itself.

Those who held their nose to vote for Starmer in July won't do so again.
 
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