Starmer's vision quest

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C R

Veteran
I am starting to give serious credence to the idea that the next phase of the McSweeney/Starmer 'Labour' project is the entirely intentional & targeted alienation of their progressive voter base, for exactly the same reason they wilfully purged the left from the party itself.

Those who held their nose to vote for Starmer in July won't do so again.
I see that even Parsons is slacking in his defence of Benito.
 

bobzmyunkle

Über Member
 

icowden

Squire
Certainly looks that way
Dog walker, DJ
I don't think the list is what we think it is.

Let's look at Dog Walker. Seems weird.

What it doesn't mean is that if I am say Latvian and decide that I want a job as a dog walker, that I can get a work visa to do that.

What it does mean is that if Robbie Williams decides that he wants to bring his Latvian Dog Walker into the country for 6 months to walk his dogs, then provided that he pays said person at least £39k a year (average annual wage for a dog walker is around £25k) then they can get a skilled worker visa which gives them the ability to work (and pay tax) in the UK.

Similarly, if the O2 want to book David Guetta (French DJ) for a residency, they can get a skilled worker visa for him to do that.

We used to have a system where none of this was needed. It was called freedom of movement and allowed citizens of 30 or so countries to move around and work where they were needed.

If they have a work visa then they are paying tax on that minimum £39k salary. So if some overcompensated celeb wants to bring their pet homeopath to the UK, then why not let them and collect the tax receipts?
 

C R

Veteran
I don't think the list is what we think it is.

Let's look at Dog Walker. Seems weird.

What it doesn't mean is that if I am say Latvian and decide that I want a job as a dog walker, that I can get a work visa to do that.

What it does mean is that if Robbie Williams decides that he wants to bring his Latvian Dog Walker into the country for 6 months to walk his dogs, then provided that he pays said person at least £39k a year (average annual wage for a dog walker is around £25k) then they can get a skilled worker visa which gives them the ability to work (and pay tax) in the UK.

Similarly, if the O2 want to book David Guetta (French DJ) for a residency, they can get a skilled worker visa for him to do that.

We used to have a system where none of this was needed. It was called freedom of movement and allowed citizens of 30 or so countries to move around and work where they were needed.

If they have a work visa then they are paying tax on that minimum £39k salary. So if some overcompensated celeb wants to bring their pet homeopath to the UK, then why not let them and collect the tax receipts?

There you are, you and your facts again.
 

bobzmyunkle

Über Member
What it does mean is that if Robbie Williams decides that he wants to bring his Latvian Dog Walker into the country for 6 months to walk his dogs, then provided that he pays said person at least £39k a year (average annual wage for a dog walker is around £25k) then they can get a skilled worker visa which gives them the ability to work (and pay tax) in the UK.
Good effort. What about Robbie Williams bringing in his homoeopath?
 

icowden

Squire
There you are, you and your facts again.

I know. Don't know why I bother really. It's not as if Andy is going to be swayed by them. I think I just like finding answers to puzzles...

it still baffles me that migration is seen as such an undesirable thing. It seems like it should be one of the most Conservative Policies ever to get these people processed so that they can stop "scrounging off the state" and "get on their bicycles and find work" as Norman Tebbit once suggested.

It just seems simple to me that you get the claims processed and at the same time stop the small boats by providing safe and legal paths to claim asylum. Put it on the Government website so you can apply and get your claim processed before you even get here. Change the rules so that the only criteria is that you have had to leave your home country and are unable to go back due to fear of persecution.

Work with all the other countries in the EU to develop a similar scheme. That way you can get numbers before they arrive, balance migration across the EU (given that it isn't going to reduce in the short term) and ensure that when people do arrive, they can get linked up straight away with work schemes.

Maybe introduce a limited asylum visa such that if the political situation changes in your home country and you can return, then provided that you don't have children settled into education, you would be expected to take steps to go back again.

Control is about knowledge and planning and by providing safe, legal routes you start to eliminate the traffickers.
 
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tarric

Regular

I'm as amazed as you. Seems like those "three years to March 2024" were full of surprises, huh? Thanks for highlighting this, even if it's about a year late 👍
It amazes me the number of people who will believe anything written on the internet as long as it confirms their bias. The article in question was written in the Guardian not a publication you normally associate with those of a certain political persuasion but was written in March 2024 and covered the preceding three years of the conservative government the government of low migration who came down hard on illegal migration and it's causes, not, while increasing legal migration to near one million a year. I didn't see much indignation at the time.
The new list by those liberal lefties in the Labour government is far more restricted, the list is easily obtainable for anyone who wants to see it along with the salary needed.
 
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