Starmer's vision quest

[cookiemonster]

Only ~16% of the last 2 million immigrants is actually working. The rest are a financial burden upon the UK coffers.

So, we must be be seeing the emergence of Schrodinger's Immigrant.

On one hand, according to dimwits like you, they're working all the hours they can get and, as a result, are putting native Brits out of a job. Also, at the same time according to dimwits like you, they're sitting on their arses watching flat screen TVs and have the latest Iphone, all paid by the UK taxpayer.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

If you are paying less tax by using the current laws. You are legally avoiding tax, whether it's a simple ISA/Pension plan or sophisticated tax planning for a high net worth individual or business.

Tax evasion is illegal

ISA investor = crim?
Or Brexit voting, Trumper lacks brain cells?

I reckon even my 90 yo, daily mail reading mother could answer that one.

 

[BoldonLad]

It's not domestic housekeeping.
But anyhow you're wrong - take a look at mortgages for an example.

The mortgage system “works” on the basis that the lender has the property as surety. It can of course go wrong, as we saw recently with an upsurge in negative equity, but, so long as the number of defaults is not too high, and, property price inflation continues, the system “works”.

 

[CXRAndy]

I love to see my dad was a tool maker posting these


View: https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1889964727725637892?t=X6-_2-MPmlB0o9T6Emkoqg&s=19


Followed by Slagging off comments like this

View: https://x.com/triffic_stuff_/status/1889965979553366411?t=hTduz54jh4pA6YybX4zg-A&s=19

 

[BoldonLad]

Maybe we could do a swap we can send all the tax dodgers to America and their lefty millionaires can come here. win win.

The Telegraph revealed hundreds of wealthy Britons were planning to leave the UK in anticipation of a Labour government, which has launched a tax raid on the rich.

A survey by the same company shows that around 18 per cent of rich Americans planning to leave the US say Britain would be a likely destination.

Did I miss something?, when was the tax raid on “the rich”?

 

[CXRAndy]

So, we must be be seeing the emergence of Schrodinger's Immigrant.

On one hand, according to dimwits like you, they're working all the hours they can get and, as a result, are putting native Brits out of a job. Also, at the same time according to dimwits like you, they're sitting on their arses watchnig flat screen TVs and have the latest Iphone, all paid by the UK taxpayer.

Pretty much yes, dependants are allowed to come with working immigrants or students. They will be claiming given benefits like sweets

 

[C R]

Pretty much yes, dependants are allowed to come with working immigrants or students. They will be claiming given benefits like sweets

So you really are that thick.

 

[BoldonLad]

Pretty much yes, dependants are allowed to come with working immigrants or students. They will be claiming given benefits like sweets

I could be wrong, but, I thought the right to bring dependants was withdrawn?, is that not one of the reasons for the reduction in the number of foreign students (causing in turn university finance problem), and, the fall in immigrant care staff, for adult social care?

 

[cookiemonster]

Pretty much yes, dependants are allowed to come with working immigrants or students. They will be claiming given benefits like sweets

No they won't.

Stop lying.

 

[CXRAndy]

I could be wrong, but, I thought the right to bring dependants was withdrawn?, is that not one of the reasons for the reduction in the number of foreign students (causing in turn university finance problem), and, the fall in immigrant care staff, for adult social care?

Nope not currently

 

[CXRAndy]

No they won't.

Stop lying.

Yes stop lying.

The dependents will be claiming, using the schools, medical services, transport, claiming benefits. There is a whole network of advisers waiting to process them to claim everything possible.

Unless they can afford to pay out their own wages everything, you should not be allowed to bring dependants.

Once you've established a track record to prove the above then an application could be made.

Seen as most of these immigrants are extremely low paid, that's a high bar.

 

[Psamathe]

If the Israelis' are so nice why don't their friends in America just take them in, lots of empty space there.

Israel actually does have a potential challenge with Israeli's leaving Israel (though I'm uncertain of which countries they are emigrating to. Been increasing for some time but now at record levels

Even prior to Oct 7 (based on report on data leading up to 7 Oct)

Study Reveals Sharp Rise in Israeli Emigration During Judicial Overhaul Period
During the first nine months of Israel’s government-led judicial overhaul attempt in 2023, emigration among native-born Israelis rose sharply, according to a study from the Shoresh Institution for Socioeconomic Research led by Prof. Dan Ben-David. The analysis revealed a 42% increase in the number of native-born citizens leaving the country compared to prior years, with a simultaneous 7% decline in those returning. The report covers the period leading up to the October 7 conflict, showing a net emigration trend that was 2.6 times higher than the average from 2009 to 2022.
(from https://themedialine.org/mideast-da...i-emigration-during-judicial-overhaul-period/)

and across year ending 2024

Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics reported that 82,700 individuals left Israel in 2024, while only 23,800 returned.
...
The brain drain of people, often highly skilled doctors and professionals, highlights a trend among Israel’s elite, who increasingly believe they have no future in the country. Without them, Israel's own future could hang in the balance.
...
One of the countries Israelis have been heading to is Germany.

A record 18,448 Israelis sought German citizenship in the first nine months of 2024, according to Germany’s Federal Ministry of the Interior, more than double the 9,178 applications submitted in 2023 and far surpassing the 5,705 from 2022.
(from https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-exodus-over-82000-2024#:~:text=More than 82,000 Israelis left,2024, while only 23,800 returned.)

Ian

 

[BoldonLad]

I wonder who at the BBC Ms Reeves has upset? Two articles about her today on BBC website. How long before Keir tells us he has total confidence in her?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77r05nx11po

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg75jr5284o

 

[BoldonLad]

Nope not currently

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Don't think so, the rules changed from January 2024, limiting the type of Course where students were allowed to bring dependants, dependants may of course apply for a Visa.

https://www.gov.uk/student-visa/family-members

Similarly, the rules on dependants and working visas changed for those who were in post after March 2024. Again, dependants may apply for a visa.

https://www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa/your-partner-and-children#:~:text=Your partner and children can,the same date as yours.

 

[icowden]

The dependents will be claiming, using the schools, medical services, transport, claiming benefits. There is a whole network of advisers waiting to process them to claim everything possible.

Unless they can afford to pay out their own wages everything, you should not be allowed to bring dependants.

That's already the case. You are deliberately confusing legal immigration via the visa scheme with the very small amount of immigration via asylum claims. The vast amount of immigration is legal and represents people moving into well paid jobs. The tiny amount is the refugees and asylum seekers who will start in low paid jobs precisely because we don't help them to convert their skills and qualifications.

As I have mentioned before there was a case documented recently by the BBC of a qualified GP (in their home country) working as a cleaner because they could not afford the cost of the courses they would need to do to re-qualify as a GP in this country.

More examples here:-
Ethopian doctor working as care assistant: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-50718146
Syrian English Teacher working as cleaner: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...eaner-east-london-syria-refugee-a9459591.html
Electrical engineer from Syria currently volunteering and doing low paid menial work: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8e4951pemo