Starmer's vision quest

[newfhouse]

I don't think Reform is going to get fooled by the Tory right anymore, I think they smell blood from a fataly wounded Tory party and will go for the kill....

Would love to see some Mutually Assured Destruction...

 

[Fab Foodie]

Would love to see some Mutually Assured Destruction...

Perhaps the ERG would like to defect to Reform - it's their natural home....

 

[C R]

Perhaps the ERG would like to defect to Reform - it's their natural home....

This highlights the big problem. Starmer has not inspired the voters into abandoning the tories, the tories have messed up in such spectacular fashion that voters are abandoning them. The default is to favour the opposition, so labour appears to do well in the polls, but there's no guarantee that the voters disgust with the tories will continue, or someone with an actual vision capitalise on the tory mess, however unpalatable that vision might be, to the detriment of labour.

 

[Deleted member 49]

This highlights the big problem. Starmer has not inspired the voters into abandoning the tories, the tories have messed up in such spectacular fashion that voters are abandoning them. The default is to favour the opposition, so labour appears to do well in the polls, but there's no guarantee that the voters disgust with the tories will continue, or someone with an actual vision capitalise on the tory mess, however unpalatable that vision might be, to the detriment of labour.

So as long as the Tories carry on with this sh1tshow for another couple of years....and Starmer keeps quiet and doesn't promise anything about anything.We should be ok ?
Genius 🙄

 

[C R]

So as long as the Tories carry on with this sh1tshow for another couple of years....and Starmer keeps quiet and doesn't promise anything about anything.We should be ok ?
Genius 🙄

Unfortunately that seems to be his strategy.

 

[albion]

'Deform with Reform'.

A jingly vote chaser.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Keir Starmer to promise ‘completely new way of governing’ in major speech​

Bated breath it is then

 

[Deleted member 49]

Keir Starmer to promise ‘completely new way of governing’ in major speech​

Bated breath it is then

Let me be clear ......

 

[Deleted member 49]

Starmer is asked if 2% is too small a pay settlement for nurses and he won't answer the question....pathetic.
Sticking plaster blah blah...no big cheque book in other words supports more austerity.
Vote Green.

 

[icowden]

Vote Green.

But only if you don't prevent the unseating of a Tory.

 

[Deleted member 49]

But only if you don't prevent the unseating of a Tory.

Things will get worse....but at a slower pace.
Nah.

 

[icowden]

Things will get worse....but at a slower pace.
Nah.

So you want to keep the current shower of shoot?

Because those are the options. Unless you have some evidence of a revolution taking place in British Politics, the Government will either be formed by the Conservative Party or by the Labour Party and their allies. It is very hard for Labour to win as they have no support in Scotland and little in Wales. It is impossible for the Greens or Lib Dems to win as they do not have country wide support at a high level.

Thus, because of first past the post, unless your candidate can win, there is no point in voting for them. Every vote in a constituency where a Conservative can win needs to be for an opponent who can also win. This means for some constituencies, voting labour and in others Lib dem, and in a select few, Green. Voting must be strategic until FPTP is eliminated.

 

[winjim]

600 third placed Greens might have some sort of influence on the Tory government's policies, but you wouldn't see that coming into play until the next election, maybe 2029?

 

[Deleted member 49]

600 third placed Greens might have some sort of influence on the Tory government's policies, but you wouldn't see that coming into play until the next election, maybe 2029?

Hey we all have a choice who to vote for don't we,I mean you've voted Lib Dem before and I don't hold that against you.

 

[winjim]

Hey we all have a choice who to vote for don't we,I mean you've voted Lib Dem before and I don't hold that against you.

Yeah but I never expected them to win.