Starmer's vision quest
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icowden
Pharaoh
It's also nonsensical when I think about it. I mean - what is a failed asylum seeker family? If the person has not been given asylum then I don't think they can bring their family. If the family have been granted asylum but not one member, that problem is for the single person who wasn't granted?
Are they really a problem or is this just a cure in search of a problem?
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Haven't had time to check, but it seems that Mahmood might have been inspired by – wait for it – Kristi Noem's asylum policy. (In a side note, apparently Trump is asking if she can be sacked – I'd not be surprised after yesterday's performance.)
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Mahmood caught making stuff up to justify her cruelty.
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
Would presumably mean those who came on work or student visas, brought their spouse and children, then applied for asylum once those visas had expired. Would also mean families who were given holiday visas to visit the UK, or who didn't need a visa, but failed to leave after the holiday, stayed and applied for asylum.
Will also include the small numbers who arrive with children via the channel or people smuggling routes.
Some figures here, though it doesn't split the stats between individuals and families.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/visa-brake-imposed-on-4-countries-after-widespread-visa-abuse
BoldonLad
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It’s an “accountant’s solution” ie, the
Justification is on cost alone.
Not saying I believe it has been accurately costed, we are talking about Government figures here.
CXRAndy
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Rusty Nails
Country Member
If there was a robust, fair and swift asylum policy then there certainly would not be a problem.
As it is the growth in popularity of Reform (and Brexit) sadly shows that many people have a problem with the approach to asylum, and if that number proves large enough to get Reform anywhere near power, whether in cahoots with the Tories or not, then it becomes a real problem.
Because it is not a problem to some does not mean it is not a problem. Probably the messaging from Labour and LibDems etc has not been good enough to overcome the dog-whistle scare tactics of the Tories and Reform but it has clearly led to the concerns of many.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
This is a good riposte to Mahmood and Blue Labour by Stella Creasy
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...nts-labour-blue-labour-division-opportunities
"Labour is experiencing in real time the consequences of failing to define its ideological course for a generation, and of a worrying lack of intellectual curiosity. It used to be that we won elections by making an argument. Then we just won elections by not being the Tories. Now we are at risk of losing both the argument and the election."
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...nts-labour-blue-labour-division-opportunities
"Labour is experiencing in real time the consequences of failing to define its ideological course for a generation, and of a worrying lack of intellectual curiosity. It used to be that we won elections by making an argument. Then we just won elections by not being the Tories. Now we are at risk of losing both the argument and the election."
icowden
Pharaoh
I sort of agree only I don't think that they do actually have a problem with the approach to asylum, what they have a problem with is what they think is the approach to asylum based on alarmist headlines in the Mail, Sun, etc along with the dog whistling from Reform.
