Strike!

[Craig the cyclist]

Wouldn't happen though would it.Is there not some sort of work to rule in health care strikes ? Duty of care ?

So you are now saying that you are happy for my right to strike to be removed for your convenience?

I thought you were all for solidarity with the oppressed public sector workers, I guess that only works as long as you are not inconvenienced or put in danger?

If health workers strike, people die. Now, do you want strikes to be allowed or not?

 

[Deleted member 49]

Brilliant, the response of a Student Union debating vice-captain.

The student union response to this is that you would have us all in steam trains with guards blowing whistles and people stoking engines. There used to be 3 people driving a train, now there is 1, on the DLR there are none.

How many people used to build a car? I have no idea, but I am guessing 00s of people were involved and each car moved slowly down the production line. Some car factories now involve just 10 humans in the whole process, and it is much much quicker, tidier, safer and more accurate. Progress or not?

Do you have posters of Elon on your wall 🤩
I'm a dinosaur.

 

[newfhouse]

Mick Lynch admitted they walked out of Wednesday lunchtimes meeting and refused to discuss an offer that had been put forward.

That's a lie.

 

[Deleted member 49]

So you are now saying that you are happy for my right to strike to be removed for your convenience?

I thought you were all for solidarity with the oppressed public sector workers, I guess that only works as long as you are not inconvenienced or put in danger?

If health workers strike, people die. Now, do you want strikes to be allowed or not?

Not the case at all and not what I said....work to rule ?
Supporting the rail workers strengthens other workers.
Thank feck somebody's on side !

View: https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1540985006650269698?t=jgjWazT9N7iyM5Dly88XOQ&s=19

 

[Deleted member 49]

That's a lie.

Are you Mick Lynch ?

 

[Ian H]

How do you think an employer should react when the union refuse to stay in a room and discuss an offer? Mick Lynch admitted they walked out of Wednesday lunchtimes meeting and refused to discuss an offer that had been put forward.

He came out to give a press conference, then went back to the table, as he explained.

Do you think that employers should be allowed to strengthen their hand in negotiations too?

Employers currently have the whip hand. Negotiations should be between equal partners in any business (I speak as a one-time employer).

 

[Rusty Nails]

Advise ! Are you not big enough to make your own mind up ?
I voted remain....there was plenty of reasons why I could of voted leave but I didn't.
It wasn't my union that made my choice.

Surprisingly not everyone in the country shares your interest in politics or took the time to really look at what Brexit really meant. Many of these listen to the advice of their peers or bodies that, they believe, are set up to look after their interests, in this case their union leaders.

In a referendum or election the vote of someone who doesn't know their a*se from their elbow, politically speaking, and cannot be bothered to find out, counts just as much as yours.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

That's a lie.

No it isn't. He told Nick Ferrari that he did lead his team away and wouldn't discuss the proposal after an offer had been made, he said to consult his membership.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

That's a lie.

He came out to give a press conference, then went back to the table, as he explained.

@newfhouse, see it wasn't a lie. Others heard him say it too.

Awkward eh?

 

[Deleted member 49]

Surprisingly not everyone in the country shares your interest in politics or took the time to really look at what Brexit really meant. Many of these listen to the advice of their peers or bodies that, they believe, are set up to look after their interests, in this case their union leaders.

In a referendum or election the vote of someone who doesn't know their a*se from their elbow, politically speaking, and cannot be bothered to find out, counts just as much as yours..

I thought that the UK was better off in. But that doesn't mean every person in the UK benefited from being in or thought like me,some of my closest friends voted leave. If railway workers think their sector is among those better off out,it's not for me to tell them they're wrong.Id hazard a guess that many who voted leave still don't regret that decision.
NB...my closest friend who voted for Johnson,I'm less forgiving of.I take every opportunity to remind him 😁

 

[Rusty Nails]

No it isn't. He told Nick Ferrari that he did lead his team away and wouldn't discuss the proposal after an offer had been made, he said to consult his membership.

As someone who used to sit down in negotiations with the TUs of the company I used to work for it was often the case that negotiations would stop following an offer of terms while the Union consulted their membership. That's what happens in negotiations, especially where one side represents their members.

 

[newfhouse]

@newfhouse, see it wasn't a lie. Others heard him say it too.

Awkward eh?

Not really. “Walking out” implies that one party stops negotiating. The phrase I think you should have used was “taking a planned break” but of course that doesn’t suit your narrative, does it?

 

[newfhouse]

Are you Mick Lynch ?

Just an attempt to channel him, an homage if you will.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Not the case at all and not what I said....work to rule ?

So no overtime and finish on time, take breaks etc?

That still means people die. If someone phones in sick 60 minutes before shift end, the chances of getting a replacement in the ward in less that 60 minutes is very low. If they finish on time, the patient in that ITU bed simply dies. You ok with that? Or should the staff stay put because of the duty of care you mentioned? Isn't it strange how you have given health staff an extra little bit of responsibility you haven't given any other working group?

I will assume you think they should stay there and not let people die.

However you are completely fine with the nurse, who has worked 12 hours, plus 90 minutes because no-one could be found to cover the person who phoned in sick an hour before the start of the shift, then leaving the hospital to go home, only to find that instead of their normal 40 minute tube journey and nap they are faced with a 2 hour slog home, to collapse in to bed at 12, ready to be up again at 5 because they have the reverse 2 hour slog back to work to be in for 8pm ready to do another 12 hours and repeat the cycle having their right to strike removed?

 

[Rusty Nails]

I thought that the UK was better off in. But that doesn't mean every person in the UK benefited from being in or thought like me,some of my closest friends voted leave. If railway workers think their sector is among those better off out,it's not for me to tell them they're wrong.Id hazard a guess that many who voted leave still don't regret that decision.
NB...my closest friend who voted for Johnson,I'm less forgiving of.I take every opportunity to remind him 😁

This isn't about your decision, or how you made it, but about how many others cannot/do not make an informed choice, so follow the advice of people they trust.