The rise of the far right

[winjim]

Edgy

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

I find it strange that so many women and brown/black people are appearing as far right politicians

when it is the very part of the spectrum that would have denied them the right to even vote - never mind stand - in the past

and in some cases are still advocating racist policies and other policies that are anti anyone who is not a 'man' (man in quotes because they have their own definition that is not always the same as mine!)

 

[C R]

I find it strange that so many women and brown/black people are appearing as far right politicians

when it is the very part of the spectrum that would have denied them the right to even vote - never mind stand - in the past

and in some cases are still advocating racist policies and other policies that are anti anyone who is not a 'man' (man in quotes because they have their own definition that is not always the same as mine!)

I've been pondering the same. Reminds me a bit of the commander's wife in The Handmaid's Tale, how se had been some kind of intellectual high flyer for the loonies, but then wasn't even allowed to read the books she herself had written.

 

[mudsticks]

I find it strange that so many women and brown/black people are appearing as far right politicians

when it is the very part of the spectrum that would have denied them the right to even vote - never mind stand - in the past

and in some cases are still advocating racist policies and other policies that are anti anyone who is not a 'man' (man in quotes because they have their own definition that is not always the same as mine!)

I've been pondering the same. Reminds me a bit of the commander's wife in The Handmaid's Tale, how se had been some kind of intellectual high flyer for the loonies, but then wasn't even allowed to read the books she herself had written.

There's lots of work out there already done on internalised oppression / misogyny /racism / homophobia. .

eg https://www.igi-global.com/dictionary/women-in-higher-education-leadership/52952

It's great if you can get people from an oppressed group to do the work of oppressing each other, saves effort on the part of the primary protagonists.

eg Tory women carrying water for the patriachy. Thatcher was a prime example, she was no particular friend to womankind.

Maybe this is one reason why she is / was so fetishised by Tory man??

 

[BoldonLad]

I find it strange that so many women and brown/black people are appearing as far right politicians

when it is the very part of the spectrum that would have denied them the right to even vote - never mind stand - in the past

and in some cases are still advocating racist policies and other policies that are anti anyone who is not a 'man' (man in quotes because they have their own definition that is not always the same as mine!)

Yes, it is a something of a mystery, but, discrimination is not uniquely a 'white' people's characteristic is it?, unless, that is, you know different.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Yes, it is a something of a mystery, but, discrimination is not uniquely a 'white' people's characteristic is it?, unless, that is, you know different.

No - not at all

I used to work in a Girl's school that had recently change from being Independent to being a normal LEA school

A lot of the older teachers had been there when it was still Independent and were part of the local "Huntin' shootin' Fishin'" type society

The women were VERY anti women's right and stuff - some of their comments about the nearby 'sea side resort' community (think inner city levels of deprivation plus some) were terrible
and the disgust when they found that I ironed my own shirts - in spite of 'having a woman at home' was clear

A lot of anti-woman rules are actually Policed by other women - weird but I have seen it SO often

 

[Rusty Nails]

I've been pondering the same. Reminds me a bit of the commander's wife in The Handmaid's Tale, how se had been some kind of intellectual high flyer for the loonies, but then wasn't even allowed to read the books she herself had written.

Not so strange. Tories stand for retaining the status quo and protecting your privilege/pulling up the drawbridge.

Why should not some women, brown/black people, especially the better off, have those same human faults and characteristics? E.g Braverman and Patel.

 

[Ian H]

I find it strange that so many women and brown/black people are appearing as far right politicians

when it is the very part of the spectrum that would have denied them the right to even vote - never mind stand - in the past

and in some cases are still advocating racist policies and other policies that are anti anyone who is not a 'man' (man in quotes because they have their own definition that is not always the same as mine!)

Well, it's not as if the Left has never been racist, is it.

 

[mudsticks]

No - not at all

I used to work in a Girl's school that had recently change from being Independent to being a normal LEA school

A lot of the older teachers had been there when it was still Independent and were part of the local "Huntin' shootin' Fishin'" type society

The women were VERY anti women's right and stuff - some of their comments about the nearby 'sea side resort' community (think inner city levels of deprivation plus some) were terrible
and the disgust when they found that I ironed my own shirts - in spite of 'having a woman at home' was clear

A lot of anti-woman rules are actually Policed by other women - weird but I have seen it SO often

It's not really 'weird' it's internalised misogyny..
Sadly still wearisomely common, in our society and elsewhere.
It's often considered 'the norm' so easy to slide into, even as a woman, if you're not paying attention to situations, and language.

Siding with the more powerful gives you some social benefits .
And its practice is often socialised from early age.

Of course there's 'class' based oppression too, which is what your Huntin Shootin Fishin brigade were doing
It all intersects.

Why would people such as anti feminist men, who directly benefit from this policing, call out women policing other women .??

This is a pretty easy read, from a woman who used to claim she wasn't a feminist, because she had swallowed all the mistruths around what feminism looks like, or seeks to achieve.

https://thelifeofscience.com/2019/0...-women-hate-feminism-and-what-theyre-missing/

 

[newfhouse]

Well, it's not as if the Left has never been racist, is it.

Some on the left are racist, agreed, but it's not baked in as a necessary core belief in the same way as with many on the right.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Some on the left are racist, agreed, but it's not baked in as a necessary core belief in the same way as with many on the right.

Some in the Red Wall constituencies after Brexit showed it is a factor in their core beliefs. Not as overtly perhaps but there was the issue of "foreigners taking our jobs".

 

[winjim]

It's a combined belief in both heirarchy and meritocracy. Everyone has their position in society and if you make it to the top it's either by divine right, or it's because you pulled yourself up by the bootstraps and broke free of your position all by yourself. But you mustn't infer that anybody should be afforded any opportunity not commensurate with their original position in the heirarchy. It doesn't work like that.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Well, it's not as if the Left has never been racist, is it.

Or misogynistic.

As for black/Asian heritage people having right wing views. Why would it be surprising? There is no reason for black and Asian people to be a monolith. Anyway, UK Asian heritage communities are mostly from India and Pakistan so both socially and economically they would be expected to have a (small 'c') conservative outlook with a preference for 'small government', self-reliance, and less liberal views on divorce, abortion etc.

You might expect the UK black community to be more left wing, but again, those from the West Indies are often quite conservative in social attitudes. And it's the older folk who turn out to vote.

 

[Bazzer]

I find it strange that so many women and brown/black people are appearing as far right politicians

when it is the very part of the spectrum that would have denied them the right to even vote - never mind stand - in the past

and in some cases are still advocating racist policies and other policies that are anti anyone who is not a 'man' (man in quotes because they have their own definition that is not always the same as mine!)

Unusual bedfellows reminds me of the links which developed in the 1970s between the apartheid regime of South Africa and Israel.
Sometimes "alliances" develop because it suits the parties, whether because of a common aim, or one sees a benefit in adopting or accepting the views of the other.

 

[Ian H]

Unusual bedfellows reminds me of the links which developed in the 1970s between the apartheid regime of South Africa and Israel.
Sometimes "alliances" develop because it suits the parties, whether because of a common aim, or one sees a benefit in adopting or accepting the views of the other.

Usual? Each had very similar aims.