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You won't get many on here supporting the call for ID cards, I remember the outrage when the need for identification to vote came in.
The UK’s broken asylum system
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You won't get many on here supporting the call for ID cards, I remember the outrage when the need for identification to vote came in.
Pale Rider
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I see from your pic the Nazis used warm coats in the winter.
By your muddle-headed thinking, everyone who uses a warm coat must be a Nazi.
multitool
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Only one problem with that photo...
In Pallid Rinder's personal wet dream the person being asked to identify themselves would be black.
multitool
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Here's a quotation from a newspaper:
"Many people who are described as illegal immigrants are, in fact, asylum-seekers. An ID scheme would not prevent their arrival in the country” as “existing restraints – such as National Insurance checks and minimum wage requirements – are already flouted.”
Which newspaper do you think it was? (no googling)
multitool
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Being the megabrain that you are, you'd have factored in the loss of SIS II access concomitant with leaving the EU.
But here you are whinging about it.
You won. Get over it.
Pale Rider
Veteran
Typical of the tiny minded to squawk racist at the very mention of an immigration policy.
More dross.
I couldn't give a toss about the EU, and I support the idea of ID cards for UK citizens.
It's not hard to grasp, even for you.
You lost, but clearly you will never get over it.
multitool
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The introduction of ID cards is not an "immigration policy".
Given that it would be the Police that would be tasked with asking people for ID, and that the Met has been described, again, as a racist institution (Lady Casey 2023), it is highly likely that racism will be a factor.
I would describe your reaction as 'glib', but that would have required some level of depth to it.
You were complaining about the lack of ID of arrivals to UK beaches with the words "but we don't know the first thing about any of the boat people".
The implication behind this is that you are concerned that they may be criminals. I pointed out to you that through Brexit the UK lost access to SIS II (look it up), and it has been replaced in Section 3 of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement with something very much inferior.
You are complaining about lack of information about foreign criminals whilst voting for it.
Perhaps, you should have given the implications of exiting the EU a little more thought rather than allowing yourself to be seduced by trite slogans, especially as "controlling our borders" appears to have been a priority.
newfhouse
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Typical of someone that (I will bet a donation to Refugee Action) has only ever been racially profiled with positive consequences to pretend that racism isn’t endemic in officialdom.
cookiemonster
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I only mentioned ID Cards as one possible reason why so many people come to the UK. It was just an observation.
However, I used to be against ID cards until I started to live abroad and they do make life easier, not worse. If you're argument against ID cards comes down to WW2 and the closing scenes of a film, starring Steve McQueen, made about 60 years ago, your argument is very weak.
There are two concerns I have about ID cards being brought into the UK. One, cost. It's guaranteed that the Gov, of any colour, will farm the contract out to one of their 'friends,' who'll charge a fortune for the ID card, disenfranchising poorer people (see the ID to vote fiasco). And, two, the nosey, bureaucratic jobsworths that the UK does produce on an industrial scale will have a field day and, as @multitool has mentioned, there could be an issue with increased harassment of black/muslim members of society.
I don't want to hijack the thread, as it's about asylum, so I'll say no more on the subject of ID cards.
However, I used to be against ID cards until I started to live abroad and they do make life easier, not worse. If you're argument against ID cards comes down to WW2 and the closing scenes of a film, starring Steve McQueen, made about 60 years ago, your argument is very weak.
There are two concerns I have about ID cards being brought into the UK. One, cost. It's guaranteed that the Gov, of any colour, will farm the contract out to one of their 'friends,' who'll charge a fortune for the ID card, disenfranchising poorer people (see the ID to vote fiasco). And, two, the nosey, bureaucratic jobsworths that the UK does produce on an industrial scale will have a field day and, as @multitool has mentioned, there could be an issue with increased harassment of black/muslim members of society.
I don't want to hijack the thread, as it's about asylum, so I'll say no more on the subject of ID cards.
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Your point?
multitool
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Which newspaper is it from?
Bromptonaut
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I don't think either BNP or Britain First were wholly, or even exclusively, snarling young (male?) adults. BF ran a long set of Facebook stuff pitched at people with military history.
In any event, my point was about an overlap of philosophy rather than either oufir having a distinct 'Gammon' wing.
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F*ck knows, the Express?
Pale Rider
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Not a great deal of overlap in philosophy, in my view.
I see gammon as an insulting term for white men in late middle age or older who are comfortable financially and tend to vote Conservative.
A far cry from the racist nutters of the BNP or similar organisations.
Bromptonaut
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As is so often the case you say this stuff without any sort of research or thought.
If, and it's a big if, they destroy their documents, and by no means all have passport, why might they do so?
Do you seriously believe that somebody from, say, Albania, can after, burning their documents, pass off as Afghan?
