The UK’s broken asylum system

[newfhouse]

they are arguing for the collapse of the entire asylum system.

Yes, that’s exactly their intention. Some on here do so without an ounce of shame and some in politics pretend otherwise but know exactly what they are really doing.

 

[cookiemonster]

Is that a “for” or “against” ID Cards?

Take your pick.

 

[cookiemonster]

This is the second surprised emoji I've been met following my use of "clamping". Am I missing something?

I may be missing something.

I have been away from Scotlandshire for quite a few years now.

 

[BoldonLad]

What? Who mentioned either species or race?

your little cartoon showed several species and indicated their differing skills/abilities (climbing in this instance)

 

[newfhouse]

your little cartoon showed several species and indicated their differing skills/abilities (climbing in this instance)

You’re aware that cartoons are often used to make a point without having to be entirely truthful representations, I take it? You know that Aesop wrote fables and not news reports?

 

[BoldonLad]

You’re aware that cartoons are often used to make a point without having to be entirely truthful representations, I take it? You know that Aesop wrote fables and not news reports?

Yes, aware of all that. But, the comparison was with human beings, are you suggesting some ethnic groups are less able than others?

I am most certainly not of that opinion.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Yes, aware of all that. But, the comparison was with human beings, are you suggesting some ethnic groups are less able than others?

I am most certainly not of that opinion.

I don’t think there’s a facepalm emoji big enough for this.

 

[newfhouse]

Yes, aware of all that. But, the comparison was with human beings, are you suggesting some ethnic groups are less able than others?

I am most certainly not of that opinion.

Words fail.

 

[Pale Rider]

so MTFU or STFU

FU.

 

[the snail]

Yes, that’s exactly their intention. Some on here do so without an ounce of shame and some in politics pretend otherwise but know exactly what they are really doing.

a lot of the gammony types think we should machine gun refugees in their boats, and send the RNLI to prison if they rescue them.

 

[Pale Rider]

a lot of the gammony types think we should machine gun refugees in their boats, and send the RNLI to prison if they rescue them.

Absolutely, the proof of that is all around us.

But let's say I can't see it.

Back up that statement.

 

[BoldonLad]

a lot of the gammony types think we should machine gun refugees in their boats, and send the RNLI to prison if they rescue them.

Is there a term for female "gammony types", or they just referred to as "gammons" too?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Two reasons, I think, as to why they come to the UK rather than stay in the first safe country (which they don't need to because as long as that country is a signatory to the 1951 UN Refugee Convention, they can go to any one of those countries)

I known i think that is an discussion for an other day

are 1) The English language. One of the most widely spoken languages in the world and 2) No ID cards. They can just disappear into their respective communities if they so wish. I lived in Finland and currently here in Asia and you can't do a thing without an ID card, even going to a doctor requires an ID card.

That makes sense yes across europe it is needed for some little things but not for the doctor.

The authorities believe they detect 100% of small boat crossings. 12% of Albanians are referred to UK's Modern Slavery system. This doesn't mean that they will be deemed victims, but it means there is reasonable evidence to suggest that they are. There are, typically, huge delays in processing these referrals.

Data from University of Oxford Migration Observatory.

ok 12% indeed sounds like substantial, i don't think the authorities are anywhere close near a 100%

It’s entirely the decision of the person seeking asylum.

As has been pointed out many times before, there is no obligation to request asylum in the first safe country and having a preference for the UK is likely because of the language, or presence of family members.

No but knowing the reasons can help, Australia for example saw their influx of immigrants almost zero since they started and campaign ''no you will not make Australia your home'' along with special boats they will send illegal's crossings back in. Now i don't say that system should be copied (i don't think it wouldn't work in the uk anyway) Apart with that Australia has a whole difference stance on this, however i do think that just saying ''the system is broken'' or ''we should let them all in'' isn't working either.
We have legal routes yet the boat crossings seem to be more popular for some reasons, so maybe it's time to look at those reasons and make sure poeple known the alternatives and or make opportunities available so they don't have to do those crossings anymore.
For example, those victims of that crossing in an truck a few years ago where all or almost all from Vietnam, the problem was not that there is not work in Vietnam but they where from a poor region and therefore has little change domestically so working with authorities in Vietnam to see of we can solve those issues would be one solution.

In the end it doesn’t matter, we are signatories to the convention and have a duty to process claims.

If someone wants to take the stance that all displaced people should stop in the first safe country then they are arguing for the collapse of the entire asylum system.

No offence but i think the system collapsed years ago, i don't see it working here, i don't see it working in the Netherlands, not in Germany. Stopping at the first save country they tried years ago along with an EU quota to ''distribute them further'', it didn't work either.
So it is my opinion that the current system doesn't work, i honestly don't known how to do better, faster processing and an abilty for them to work once they are awaiting status would be a start if you ask me, along with an quicker route into an permanent status if they find cetain jobs etc. Also i would work on recognizing international education, for example i remember a frustrated syrian doctor in an asylum center because he wanted to help people and/or learn update his medical papers so he could actually do something.

So there is enough that can be done but we seem to be stuck on either ''let them all in'' or ''we need to stop those boats'' while the solutions need to be found elsewhere.

it is stupid because they can make a deal to ship them off to Rwanda but they apparently can't make deals with countries they came from.(and no i'm not advocating we should make deals with regimes like Iran etc. )

 

[Bromptonaut]

Absolutely, the proof of that is all around us.

But let's say I can't see it.

Back up that statement.

It doesn't take long on Google to find (a) a campaign against the RNLI rescuing migrants, seemingly organised by Britain First and (b) Nick Griffin of the BNP calling fo boats full refugees, or at least some of them, to be sunk.

 

[BoldonLad]

It doesn't take long on Google to find (a) a campaign against the RNLI rescuing migrants, seemingly organised by Britain First and (b) Nick Griffin of the BNP calling fo boats full refugees, or at least some of them, to be sunk.

I do know one BNP supporter, but, I don’t think BNP or Britain First are exactly main stream. Fringe nutters more like.