The UK’s broken asylum system

[AndyRM]

It would appear that both "sides" are being similarly policed, contrary to our now departed contributor's comments. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpdlvz80pjzt

It was always going to happen.

It always was happening.

The hashtags about this whole sorry episode have been nothing but a red herring latched onto by the gullible on Twitter.

 

[AndyRM]

Also I like how CXR has emulated brave wee Yaxley-Lennon by chatting a bunch of sh!te and then running away.

Top marks for style there.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Also I like how CXR has emulated brave wee Yaxley-Lennon by chatting a bunch of sh!te and then running away.

Top marks for style there.

Having batted off the worst that Multitool could throw at him he obviously sees no other challengers and is off to brave the wilder action of the mothership.

 

[AndyRM]

Having batted off the worst that Multitool could throw at him he obviously sees no other challengers and is off to brave the wilder action of the mothership.

He actually posts like a sentient human over there. Very weird.

 

[Rusty Nails]

He actually posts like a sentient human over there. Very weird.

Could he be trans depending on the forum?

 

[BoldonLad]

Meanwhile, the situation continues https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn9lje1gdjwt

 

[glasgowcyclist]

All because successive governments pursue a policy of denying safe routes to them.

Give them safe routes (as we did with Ukrainians), process applications and allow them to work while awaiting a decision. It’ll be cheaper in both human and financial terms.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Would that be enough to stop the Channel boats though? I'm not sure it would as those who know they are way down the list would have no incentive to wait the years it might take.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Would that be enough to stop the Channel boats though? I'm not sure it would as those who know they are way down the list would have no incentive to wait the years it might take.

It would heavily damage the traffickers’ trade, which was these governments claim to want to do, yet their policies actively support traffickers.

Since you can only claim asylum on UK soil (currently) I’m sure it would drastically reduce the numbers trying to cross in dangerously crowded dinghies.

It doesn’t need to be an all or nothing solution.

 

[icowden]

Would that be enough to stop the Channel boats though? I'm not sure it would as those who know they are way down the list would have no incentive to wait the years it might take.

The point is to stop it taking years.

 

[Cirrus]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9v8272vkxpo
Interesting that the French seem to believe it’s our labour market creating the issue.

 

[Beebo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9v8272vkxpo
Interesting that the French seem to believe it’s our labour market creating the issue.

Is the job black market here any different? I guess the lack of standard ID card may make a difference.

They will use any reason to excuse the deaths. They have their own political issues to consider. And who can blame them for wanting to focus on their own agendas.
If they really wanted to stop the deaths they could do it, but it would be very unpopular in France.

 

[All uphill]

As always there is a number of ways of framing this debate.

The people smugglers are:

Vile criminals who endanger and abuse vulnerable people.

The only hope of vulnerable people who need to escape persecution, and do that at considerable risk to themselves.

 

[BoldonLad]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9v8272vkxpo
Interesting that the French seem to believe it’s our labour market creating the issue.

Not statistically significant, I know, but, a few weeks ago, in St Ives (Cambridgeshire), I was chatting to my Uber Taxi Driver (a Rumanian), and, that was exactly the reason he gave for coming to UK, in preference to any other European Country. He did not use the words "unregulated labour market", he actually said "I wouldn't be able to do this (ie drive taxi for Uber) anywhere else in Europe".

 

[BoldonLad]

Is the job black market here any different? I guess the lack of standard ID card may make a difference.

They will use any reason to excuse the deaths. They have their own political issues to consider. And who can blame them for wanting to focus on their own agendas.
If they really wanted to stop the deaths they could do it, but it would be very unpopular in France.

I am not an expert on the Labour Laws in every EU Country, but, I know from Daughter No2's experience of trying to work as Secondary School Teacher in Ireland that there are subtle barriers to employment.

Daughter No2 is a UK qualified Maths Teacher, and, her sojourn in Ireland was during our EU membership.