I’m not a statistician but I guess there will be valid ways to have a rolling average that takes account of the unusual peaks in ‘20 and ‘21.
But some countries had a sharply increased death rate, that meant that stats were slewed. Don't get me wrong, excess deaths is by far the better measure, and the UK still comes out in the top 3 or 4 however it is cut, but the measure can be slewed considerably by a minor data set change.
It means that some people are alive today because of the lockdown decisions, including thousands who would have covid and died, but also the approximately 11,000+ fewer deaths due to air pollution?
Again I am afraid this is just too simplistic. If the best practice is shown to be allowed 0 movement, no-one comes into or goes out of the country, house curfew for 20+ hours a day. How do we achieve that in England, and it would have to be England as Wales and Scotland have devolved responsibility for covid policies. A hard border between England and Wales and England and Scotland? People ignored lockdowns, and lets face it, there would be arguments on here about which was the best practice to follow anyway!
Yes, for the unnecessarily large scale of them, absolutely.
This could be altered to read By delaying instituting lockdown too long, and by failing to introduce an effective test and trace system, ... the German government ensured that lockdown lasted vastly longer than it need have done, so all those social problems stemming from lockdown are much worse than they need have been.
Staying alive and keeping other people alive not incentive enough?
The factors that led people not to self isolate when they should have done have been well discussed and documented. So no, but for understandable reasons.
Apparently not. Strangely, many chose to carry on working to pay the rent and feed their children rather than trying to survive on SSP.
Its’s those variations that are interesting.
I don’t know the reliability of your 11,000 figure, but even if true it is only a few percent of the total, so within an acceptable margin of error.
There were and are judgements to be made about how much state control will be tolerated, but I feel it should be possible to make comparisons with similarly democratic, liberal, rich nations.
Oh really, where did they all work then? I thought the problem being bemoaned on here for months last year was the fact that all the businesses had closed and furlough wasn't enough? So, a good slogan, but demonstrably incorrect as being on SSP wouldn't have been a thing now would it?
There have been some some spike in death rates over the previous 5 years, especially in rich, industrialised countries weirdly! See here
Well, it would counter-balance the total by somewhere around 9% or so. Again, I think you like to misinterpret me, but the figures of people who didn't die need to be factored in to calculations and comments on the response too.
And I think we have seen quite clearly that modern, industrialised, rich, western societies are very bad at conforming to any restrictions placed upon them!
"Here" didn't exist two months ago, much less a year ago.
Just to be clear, can you really not figure out that this forum is a continuation of the previous one, but hosted slightly differently? Is that right?
Not everyone was on furlough. I can’t link to them but there were definitely posts highlighting the pitifully low rate of SSP.
Interesting. Where is “here”?
