Twitter under Musk....

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Musk had the opportunity to start with a clean sheet.
I am well aware the car was introduced to meet proposed emissions regulations and I did reference this. I am also aware that GM treated the project like some outcast child. However, GM was not alone. Toyota and Honda both produced EVs to meet the intended Californian regulations.
Where is the database of Tesla owners who used to be in the EV-1 programme?

So do tldr is if you allow car company lobbies to alter legistation EV cars will all get cancelled only to reappear roughly 20 years later, toghether with sleek commercials claiming how clean those mofo's are?
I base myself on what i see no idea of someone made an database out of it. but there are multiple youtube with former ev-1 drivers who now drive an Tesla.

The laptop has fuelled a whole load of conspiracy theories which have very little grounding in the actual facts. The most amazing thing to come out of the laptop files is how thin the whole thing is even when spun by the Trumpists.

You respond by saying the exact same thing you said earlier, granted maybe worded a little bit different but still. You claim there was little grounding, where do you base that claim on?

Trump didn't need to hide any nepotism on his watch. It was all in plain open sight with his family in positions of governmental power.

Yet and i said this before, how would the media have responded if one of Trumps(adult) sons was caught with exactly the same? So an laptop containing pictures if drug and/or substances abuse, and lots if email showing he used his ties with his father and Obama to make shady deals with persons that are now procecuted for corruption and or countries like China...

I don't believe the media response (it must be a stolen laptop, we can't quote from that) Would be the same. Also evidenced by the fact that just before Trumps precedency ended the Hotel-room-hooker-piss-story was debunked completely by the Fbi. Same media that claim they couldn't talk about Biden's son laptop(but did admit it was legit after the elections) brought that story with even the slightest of evidence.

This is the Musk M.O. He used the Thai disaster as a publicity stunt and when he got called out on it he started to throw shoot around.

Yes, but he won in court so in fact he got away with it.

Space-X is funded by NASA and wouldn't exist without them. NASA gave them hundreds of millions of dollars before they had even launched a rocket, then hundreds of millions more for the further rocket developments.

Tesla's cash-flow is mightily bolstered by carbon credits which it gets for being green, and then sells onto less green car companies.

For all Musk's talk about small government his companies are very embedded with government subsidies and grants.

No, in fact NASA is mainly a costumer off space X they have launch contracts with them,(worth 400-500 million) Space-X is privately funded. and yes that does not take away if Nasa would disappeared right now because of the ''smaller government' space-X would likely have a financial problem.

 

[stowie]

No, in fact NASA is mainly a costumer off space X they have launch contracts with them,(worth 400-500 million) Space-X is privately funded. and yes that does not take away if Nasa would disappeared right now because of the ''smaller government' space-X would likely have a financial problem.

NASA contracts with SpaceX are worth billions, not millions. NASA paid $2bn to SpaceX in 2022 alone.

My post was poorly phrased. NASA is not investing in SpaceX, but their contracts are what has both kept SpaceX solvent and also attracted investors to the company. Without those NASA contracts SpaceX would not exist or at least simply be one of a whole load of companies just launching LEO satellite systems.

Not that this is a bad thing. SpaceX is cutting costs of space travel and saving NASA money. NASA has generally gone from a role as - in effect - prime contractor for Space vehicles (the vehicles were NASA ones, but the interior gubbins were developed by private companies under contract) to a customer type model where the whole vehicle is subcontracted. Other companies (notably Boeing) are also bidding for these contracts.

The thing that grinds my gears is when people like Musk talk about "small government" whilst their companies are benefiting from "big government" and when it is promoted that they are somehow blazing a trail by themselves when it is actually the government still pushing the direction of development with huge contracts that would otherwise mean the sector would not be solvent.

 

[albion]

Obviously it would have been to the main server and/or the journalists server.

I imagine it will end up like ebay or google where it will be near impossible to get past the bots when account service ceases or goes awry.
No doubt there are a fair few ebay sellers out there bankrupt never knowing why.

Twitter seems a main point of contact for some so the autocratic ownership change is not a positive.

 

[albion]

The thing that grinds my gears is when people like Musk talk about "small government" whilst their companies are benefiting from "big government" and when it is promoted that they are somehow blazing a trail by themselves when it is actually the government still pushing the direction of development with huge contracts that would otherwise mean the sector would not be solvent.

Musk lies when it suits. Not as prolific as Trumps lies, Musk lies to ensure he gets what he wants.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64010202.amp

I guess he could not get any of the vote runs to give the answer he wanted.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Good luck approaching “Mastodon” given that it is open source, distributed, and each instance has its own rules and culture. They may as well ask Shaun to answer for Pistonheads.

This is what I don't get. Mastodon is a lot of separate servers for different topics? It's moderated by volunteers on each server? Surely the result of this will be that each server will have content that the moderator allows or disallows? It could be full of right or left wing nonsense just like Twitter and FB, but with no consistency of moderation. Or it could end up like Reddit - full of porn.

How is it an improvement over Twitter?

 

[albion]

How is it an improvement over Twitter?

No totalitarian as moderator. And as an employer, Musk harks back to Victorian times. However, that probably helps Tesla in China.

 

[AuroraSaab]

But won't it just be individual totalitarianism on each server, like it is with each Reddit forum? One Mastodon server could be 'anything goes' and another could repress every view that was different from the moderators. I wonder how long before it's awash with porn and they have to shut the servers.

 

[albion]

Obviously yes. I imagine Trump could have chosen to run a server. And that people can choose a server they like.
In another thread I mentioned I last read the Sun in 1986. With that, I disagreed with Murdoch strategic mass sacking of their Fleet Street workforce.

We choose our patronage.

 

[newfhouse]

This is what I don't get. Mastodon is a lot of separate servers for different topics? It's moderated by volunteers on each server? Surely the result of this will be that each server will have content that the moderator allows or disallows? It could be full of right or left wing nonsense just like Twitter and FB, but with no consistency of moderation. Or it could end up like Reddit - full of porn.

Each instance will have its own moderation policy and culture but it is a bit more complicated than that. Servers federate with each other to share content and it entirely possible, indeed regular practice, for a whole server to be removed from the federation list if it is full of illegal or hateful content. Also, users will tend to join instances that match their own social or political mores, not to exclude other views but to congregate with people of similar levels of decency. It’s possible to run as a non-federated service too. Trump’s Truth Social is a forked version of Mastodon, for example.

How is it an improvement over Twitter?

It’s probably not for everyone, it’s a different beast. One of the joys of Mastodon is that serendipity takes the place of a screen time and advertising driven algorithm. This may be less attractive to companies that wish to use it for public relations or marketing. How it might evolve and scale in the future remains to be seen.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Thanks for explaining. It will be interesting to see how it develops. It's obviously experiencing a surge of users at the moment but we'll have to see if it garners as much support as needed to rival Twitter.

 

[albion]

Support is top down. Capitalism supports twitter. No one earns commission off Mastaodon.
Here is a good example of top down capitalism winning despite the high cost.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001g38n

 

[AuroraSaab]

But if Mastodon grows, won't they need money to expand it? Perhaps donations will cover it rather than advertising. Capitalism supports Cyclechat too surely.

 

[newfhouse]

But if Mastodon grows, won't they need money to expand it? Perhaps donations will cover it rather than advertising. Capitalism supports Cyclechat too surely.

Who is “they”? There is already a donation model for many instances, which I support in the same way I choose to fund useful open source projects. Technically, adverts could be inserted on any given server but I guess the risk is that users might vote with their feet and move elsewhere.

I am not aware that there are (yet) too many server admins seeking to derive an income stream from the Mastodon part of the fediverse. There is therefore no imperative to attract new users or use the commercial addiction tricks to keep their eyeballs on the page.

 

[AuroraSaab]

By 'they' I meant the original developer. But being Open Source perhaps it will grow organically, not requiring direction from anyone. I must admit I struggle a bit to get my head round Mastodon. Not so much what it is exactly, but why people think it will rival Twitter. It seems to be a different thing altogether.

Lots of big Twitter names seem to be running both platforms together so it will be interesting to see how things develop.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

NASA contracts with SpaceX are worth billions, not millions. NASA paid $2bn to SpaceX in 2022 alone.

My post was poorly phrased. NASA is not investing in SpaceX, but their contracts are what has both kept SpaceX solvent and also attracted investors to the company. Without those NASA contracts SpaceX would not exist or at least simply be one of a whole load of companies just launching LEO satellite systems.

Well not in it's current form it would have taken them longer to get where they are now. Or it would have send them looking elsewhere.

Not that this is a bad thing. SpaceX is cutting costs of space travel and saving NASA money. NASA has generally gone from a role as - in effect - prime contractor for Space vehicles (the vehicles were NASA ones, but the interior gubbins were developed by private companies under contract) to a customer type model where the whole vehicle is subcontracted. Other companies (notably Boeing) are also bidding for these contracts.

Think it's better then the position they where in in the think it was 2000's somewhere around that area where they needed to try and source 8086 processors because part of their equipment would only run on that.

The thing that grinds my gears is when people like Musk talk about "small government" whilst their companies are benefiting from "big government" and when it is promoted that they are somehow blazing a trail by themselves when it is actually the government still pushing the direction of development with huge contracts that would otherwise mean the sector would not be solvent.

I agree with you on that one, especially since the Us already has a ''big goverment'' however i think Musk's big govement is referring to something else think that is reffering to social services, health care systems etc. as one of the prime arguments against that is always that it would make the goverment to big etc.

Twitter seems a main point of contact for some so the autocratic ownership change is not a positive.

it was all those years already in effect, they just switched sides now.. alltough he claims to be democratic as fark, just like twitter before Musk always claimed not to benefit Democrats primarly.. both are unlikely to be true.

Who is “they”? There is already a donation model for many instances, which I support in the same way I choose to fund useful open source projects. Technically, adverts could be inserted on any given server but I guess the risk is that users might vote with their feet and move elsewhere.

I am not aware that there are (yet) too many server admins seeking to derive an income stream from the Mastodon part of the fediverse. There is therefore no imperative to attract new users or use the commercial addiction tricks to keep their eyeballs on the page.

It would be interesting to see if it really works, yes there are many projects that work on the basis of donations of whatever fancy name they have for it. But on the last days of Twitter before Musk wokes became so woke, that they started attacking their fellow wokes for not being woke enough, i can inagine that would lead to an implosion of said mastodon't group like thingly's having said that i haven took the time to look deeper into Mastodont mainly because i don't really like social media that much.