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Bazzer

Well-Known Member
David Depape, who attacked Paul Pelosi, husband of the former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, has been found guilty in a federal court of attempting to kidnap a federal official and assault of an immediate family member of a federal official with intent, relating to their official duties.
He will remain incarcerated, probably for four months or so to await sentencing.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/16/politics/depape-verdict-guilty/index.html
He will now have a state trial which includes charges such attempted murder.
Depape (43) was a right wing conspiracy theorist, which included votes having been stolen from Trump, faces a long time in prison.
 

Bazzer

Well-Known Member
Trump found to have been involved in an insurrection, but not disqualified from the ballot under the 14th amendment.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/politics/trump-colorado-ballot-14th-amendment-insurrection/index.html
 

albion

Guru
He was really just asking the suckers for money, whilst hoping they did not do anything even more stupid.
I imagine he has a live Suckerometer in order to watch which words bullseye their wallets
 

Bazzer

Well-Known Member
Looks like Fani Willis, the District Attorney in Georgia prosecuting Trump and others, has seen what is going on in Florida with judge Aileen Cannon. Ms Willis has filed for a trial date of 5 August 2024 for all of the co conspirators.
Apparently, the main trial for theft of documents cannot take place until after a hearing which is required to discuss disclosures under the Classified Information Procedures Act. This is something which could/should have been done weeks ago, but for which a date has not even been set. And because judge Cannon is conducting most of the trial administration by minute orders, Jack Smith's team cannot challenge her rulings and seek to get her removed.
It would seem the Fulton County DA knows there is little likelihood of the stolen documents hearing taking place as currently slated and is making her move.
 

Unkraut

Master of the Inane Comment
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The Christian right seem to prefer the thug. Maybe @Unkraut could explain that to humanists like me.

I think there is reasonable agreement that Trump's character and lack of personal morality is appalling. Some wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances because of this, but others would despite this. He did actually do some conservative things when he was in office.

He appointed justices to the Supreme Court who enabled Roe v Wade to be overturned. The issue of abortion at the top of the list of moral wickedness in the eyes of most American evangelicals, and they have worked tirelessly to get it overturned. I might add they don't all just criticise but actually offer real help to mothers as an alternative.

Much of the reason many would still vote for him is to keep the Democrats out, not because they like him. The Democrats have drifted to the left.

Issues I have seen discussed include opposition to the LGBT agenda in schools (many homeschool because of this) where a child can be encouraged to go in the direction of transitioning, this can be done without parental knowledge or consent, and if they object they can lose custody of the child. Also the homosexual agenda, where this mustn't just be tolerated, it must be celebrated. There were famous cases of a florist and a baker who were Christians who couldn't go along with this as a matter of conscience who were subject to ruinous fines on their businesses. Evangelicals are well aware of this. I think some more recent court cases may have reigned this in, under the protection of religion clauses in the Constitution. Leftist justices could reverse this in future.

Black lives matter - Marxists who are out to cause trouble and who actually care little if anything for the welfare of the black community. More blacks have died in BLM induced violence than are killed by white policemen in a couple of decades, and similarly more blacks die in black on black violence in just Chicago every weekend of the year than are killed by white policement in decades. That gets ignored.

Large evangelical church in California initially abided by the Corona rules, but then started meeting again when they perceived govt overreach where the rules were being misused to stop them meeting, with dire warnings of the horrendous outbreak they would have by meeting. 10 000 membership. My own assumption was they were likely covid deniers, but they have subsequently sued the govt and won every case. The govt was exceeding its powers. And there was no outbreak either. There was and is a lot of distrust of government, and when this sort of thing happens you can understand why. It really is a different culture to Europe.

I do find them to be more to the right than I would be happy with, but there again we in Europe might have got too used to expecting the govt to look after us from the cradle to the grave.
 

Unkraut

Master of the Inane Comment
Location
Germany
No they haven't. The christian right has moved the discourse so far to the right that they would probably call Eisenhower a liberal pinko commy.

I'm not so sure. Under Socialism the collective is everything and the individual nothing. To the American right it seems to me that the individual is everything and the collective nothing.

American evangelicals tend to share this paranoia about government, and if the govt does anything by way of intervention in say the economy think the Soviet Union has been resurrected.

On the other hand defining marriage as between one man and one woman for life is hardly an extreme right-wing position. It's been the norm for most of human history if you want a stable society. Not exactly revolutionary!

Personally I wish they wouldn't over identify Christianity (which is generally socially small c conservative) with Conservative politics in the form of the Republicans. Also not treat the American constitution as Holy Writ!
 
Under Socialism the collective is everything and the individual nothing
And yet you would remove rights of personal bodily autonomy and freedom to love, preferring an imposed collective “morality” based on ancient patriarchal scribblings.

The issue of abortion at the top of the list of moral wickedness in the eyes of most American evangelicals
This has less to do with care for potential children than loss of control over the lives of women, hence the hate for feminists and feminism. Many on the Christian right care nothing for children once they are actually born, witnessed by them being leading gun apologists and poverty deniers.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/1384047/leading-causes-of-death-for-children-and-teens-us/
 

bobzmyunkle

Senior Member
Women, gays, blacks. Can't have them getting too uppity, can we @Unkraut?
Throw in a conspiracy about COVID lockdown - the state (socialism), anti-christian something or other..
All part of the love shared by our resident Christian.

And that's without mentioning Islamophobia (that was a different thread obviously).

Republicans, slightly too far right for @Unkraut, but he's warming to them.
 
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mudsticks

Squire
And yet you would remove rights of personal bodily autonomy and freedom to love, preferring an imposed collective “morality” based on ancient patriarchal scribblings.


This has less to do with care for potential children than loss of control over the lives of women, hence the hate for feminists and feminism. Many on the Christian right care nothing for children once they are actually born, witnessed by them being leading gun apologists and poverty deniers.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/1384047/leading-causes-of-death-for-children-and-teens-us/

'Christian' right...

"If you can't look after your kids (for definite, and always, even into an uncertain future) then you shouldn't have kids, nor be expecting the state to help care for them"

Also 'Christian' right .

"If you find yourself unintentionally pregnant, then no, we won't let you access healthcare to safely terminate that unintended pregnancy, at the earliest possible time"

It's all about control of women, and their bodies, and yes even a distaste for the idea that women might choose to have sex for reasons other than procreation.

At the same time as very often crying like mad if those same guys don't get access to women's bodies for the purposes of their own sexual gratification.

It's zero about anyone's 'welfare' it's 100% about patriachy trying to impose it's will via, as you say, scribblings from a time when all manner of oppressions, that we now abhor, were considered totally normal.
 

All uphill

Active Member
I'm not so sure. Under Socialism the collective is everything and the individual nothing. Tos the American right it seems to me that theory'sindividual is everything and the collective nothing.
My experience of churches is that they require individuals to conform to the collective rights and wrongs imposed by the senior (male) members.
Does that make them socialist? I don't think so.

It also seems to me that the American right is very much about reducing individual liberty who falls outside the White, hetero norm.

Ask yourself this question, if you were a gay, black woman would life be more comfortable in right wing evangelical community or a secular left wing one?
 
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AndyRM

Elder Goth
My experience of churches is that they require individuals to conform to the collective rights and wrongs imposed by the senior (male) members.
Does that make them socialist? I don't think so.

It also seems to me that the American right is very much about reducing individual liberty who falls outside the White, hetero norm.

Ask yourself this question, if you were a gay, black woman would life be more comfortable in right wing evangelical community or a secular left wing one?

Even the faintest notion that the church (or the mainstream ones at least) embraces socialism in any way is risible.
 
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