War with Russia

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Beebo

Veteran
There's a school of thought that says he won't push the button because he can't guarantee that any of it will actually work properly....

An expert on the radio said Russia doesn’t have any safety equipment to allow his troops to enter a radioactive zone.
So it makes no sense if he actually wants to take Ukraine. But as we know Putin has no sense. We just have to hope the generals around him can see the bigger picture.
 

matticus

Guru
Escalation in this case means nuclear.

Fortunately there are stages before that.
 
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Naturally I defer to all the qualified military strategists on this thread, but didn't the earlier exchanges sort of demonstrate the obsolescence of tanks, defenceless as they are to pre-teen children armed with drones from argos?
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multitool

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Sorted that for you.
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Badger_Boom

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Naturally I defer to all the qualified military strategists on this thread, but didn't the earlier exchanges sort of demonstrate the obsolescence of tanks, defenceless as they are to pre-teen children armed with drones from argos?

Imagine how effective the (Ukrainian) pre-teens will be when thy use more up to date tanks rather than obsolete kit and Argos drones against their invaders' armour.
 
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matticus

Guru
I'm presuming that the current military strategists in Ukraine/NATO have some idea of what kind of tanks would boost their chances in this conflict. Of course time may prove them wrong (what with hindsight generally being 20:20), but they have had 10 months of this conflict to assess requirements.
 

multitool

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Naturally I defer to all the qualified military strategists on this thread, but didn't the earlier exchanges sort of demonstrate the obsolescence of tanks, defenceless as they are to pre-teen children armed with drones from argos?

IIRC the really big damage done to Russian armour was precision heavy weaponry such as HIMARS. Drones provided targeting information. The Russians moved their armour back because it was so vulnerable, and whilst that means the Russians have been pushed back to a crescent on Ukraine's eastern border it still leaves the Ukrainians with the problem of how to dislodge them from heavily established defences, because otherwise the Russians can just sit there and let the war bubble away for decades. So, the imperative is for an offensive, and for that they need heavy mobile armour rather than soft skinned vehicles.

Maybe there is also a supply issue with HIMARS. After all, we don't seem to hear much about them now.
 
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IIRC the really big damage done to Russian armour was precision heavy weaponry such as HIMARS. Drones provided targeting information. The Russians moved their armour back because it was so vulnerable,
The advantage the Russians had before Himars was supply chain and lots of ammo. But Russians never invested into systems for loading unloading etc. and they just create big stockpiles of weapons two positions that make them very easy targets, so Himars resulted in Russians trying to hide and move those stockpiles back, which makes a big difference which is observable in artillery attacks.

Also worth noting that is is Russian armour on tanks and apc's that is especially weak against manpads and drones, altough it has to be noted that most succesfull drone attacks are done with an grenade launched from an drone into an open hatch or something like that. I assume western tanks are just as easy targets if they would do that. Alltough Russia still hasn't really invested in drones. The forces with drones either funded them themselves or are part of an unit like Wagner
and whilst that means the Russians have been pushed back to a crescent on Ukraine's eastern border it still leaves the Ukrainians with the problem of how to dislodge them from heavily established defences, because otherwise the Russians can just sit there and let the war bubble away for decades. So, the imperative is for an offensive, and for that they need heavy mobile armour rather than soft skinned vehicles.

Maybe there is also a supply issue with HIMARS. After all, we don't seem to hear much about them now.

Alltough Russia has grossly overstated the amount of troops they have, they still have have the advantage in amount of troops in air and rockets. This will change when the pattriots arrive, the things they then need is long distance missiles for the Himars so they can make Russia uncomfortable on every inch of Ukrainian soil.

There is no supply issue with Himars there still being used frequently
 
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