War with Russia

[Deleted member 121]

It’s refreshing to see somebody on here who can see it for what it actually is. Most on here follow the main stream media narrative. We broke the Minsk agreement, no wonder the bear invaded after been poked by a sharp stick too many times. In a few years peace talks will happen & we’ll be back trading with Russia.

You apparently do not see the irony of claiming "most on here follow the main stream media narrative" Whilst using terms such as "the bear invaded after been poked by a sharp stick".

Fun though...

 

[multitool]

It’s refreshing to see somebody on here who can see it for what it actually is. Most on here follow the main stream media narrative. We broke the Minsk agreement, no wonder the bear invaded after been poked by a sharp stick too many times. In a few years peace talks will happen & we’ll be back trading with Russia.

Who's "we"?

The Minsk agreement was between Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE. But, it never succeeded, the fighting never stopped.

 

[Milzy]

You apparently do not see the irony of claiming "most on here follow the main stream media narrative" Whilst using terms such as "the bear invaded after been poked by a sharp stick".

Fun though...

They surrounded Putin with missiles. Imagine if Mexico did that to the USA? Biden administration are playing dangerous games, they have not got a clue what they’re doing. We are wasting money over there.

 

[Deleted member 121]

They surrounded Putin with missiles. Imagine if Mexico did that to the USA? Biden administration are playing dangerous games, they have not got a clue what they’re doing. We are wasting money over there.

Russia is so big it has always been surrounded by missiles, since missiles were a thing. Buffer zones are a farce although Russia seem happy to occupy them, such as the Kuril Islands a few miles from Japan and Karelia... At best they give NATO/Russia a pre-warning of an impending land invasion which the Soviets were caught out on with Operation Barbarossa in WW2, at worst it's to project power and influence on surrounding nations, limiting their political will and control. Lets be honest, since Satellites and more recently drones and even the internet that has all but been null and void.

Sure, if Mexico were to suddenly start building artificial Islands like the Chinese are doing in the South China Sea in the Gulf of Mexico and up the East coast and paying Canada to station Missiles, it would stand to reason USA might wonder what is going on. But i really don't see the comparison with Russia in the Ukraine. What NATO missiles were in the Ukraine pre-2014?

 

[the snail]

They surrounded Putin with missiles. Imagine if Mexico did that to the USA? ....

Remember Cuba?

 

[Mr Celine]

... no wonder the bear invaded after been poked by a sharp stick too many times.

If the bear just shat in the woods like it's supposed to instead of smearing its nerve agent laced shite in other countries then no one would bother it.

 

[Milzy]

Russia is so big it has always been surrounded by missiles, since missiles were a thing. Buffer zones are a farce although Russia seem happy to occupy them, such as the Kuril Islands a few miles from Japan and Karelia... At best they give NATO/Russia a pre-warning of an impending land invasion which the Soviets were caught out on with Operation Barbarossa in WW2, at worst it's to project power and influence on surrounding nations, limiting their political will and control. Lets be honest, since Satellites and more recently drones and even the internet that has all but been null and void.

Sure, if Mexico were to suddenly start building artificial Islands like the Chinese are doing in the South China Sea in the Gulf of Mexico and up the East coast and paying Canada to station Missiles, it would stand to reason USA might wonder what is going on. But i really don't see the comparison with Russia in the Ukraine. What NATO missiles were in the Ukraine pre-2014?

So it seems the sphere of influence should have been tolerated by Russia? How can you lot support defending Ukraine by years of fighting and bloodshed and increasing the chances of a third world war? Peace talks need to happen now. We will all suffer apart from the mega rich who will profit. What if NATO go in full on? Will you support British men & women getting killed in this proxy war like you did with Iraq & Afghanistan bogus occupations?

 

[Deleted member 121]

So it seems the sphere of influence should have been tolerated by Russia? How can you lot support defending Ukraine by years of fighting and bloodshed and increasing the chances of a third world war? Peace talks need to happen now. We will all suffer apart from the mega rich who will profit. What if NATO go in full on? Will you support British men & women getting killed in this proxy war like you did with Iraq & Afghanistan bogus occupations?

How does those peace talks look to you? What do you think it will take to end the war?

 

[matticus]

I hadn't noticed NATO on twitter before. This was rather surprising:

View: https://twitter.com/NATO/status/1628687934000885760?t=iNnklyT19NDhaoVwuP9pLg&s=19

 

[Deleted member 49]

How does those peace talks look to you? What do you think it will take to end the war?

https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/web/zyxw/202302/t20230224_11030707.shtml
China's view...which I think it means Russia would presumably agree to restore Ukraine borders to status quo if there is a guarantee Ukraine isn't a Western military proxy against them and if sanctions are stopped.
However unlikely it is to happen it's got to be better than the alternative of a never ending war.

 

[multitool]

So it seems the sphere of influence should have been tolerated by Russia?.... Will you support British men & women getting killed in this proxy war like you did with Iraq & Afghanistan bogus occupations?

It's possible to view the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Western invasions of Iraq (and Afghanistan) through the same lens, after all they were invasions of sovereign countries. However it's strange that you view Putin's war as a war of defence when it is clearly not, as he has himself admitted. It is an expansionist war into territory that he views as his. A recapture, if you like.

I think you also have to cast off the colouring of Russia as underdog, under threat against capitalist might, desperately forced into counter measures. Putin's attack is nothing other than an ill-conceived land grab, and a massive strategic mistake on his part. He has misjudged everything, from the strength of the Ukrainians to the response of the West, and even the capabilities of his own forces.

There's a curious cultural relativism about your attitude towards Russia. You have an acuity to the neo-imperial actions of the US and her UK parasitic lackeys, but are blind to Putin's desire for a renaissance of Russian empire. Have a look at a map. How do you think it happened that Russia has borders with European countries like Finland at one end, Korea and Japan at the other, with only 55 miles between it and the US state of Alaska (which was itself once owned by Russia).

 

[multitool]

They surrounded Putin with missiles.

Who did? What missiles and where are they?

I think you'll find the number is zero.

 

[C R]

It's possible to view the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Western invasions of Iraq (and Afghanistan) through the same lens, after all they were invasions of sovereign countries.

Indeed, they are the same thing.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

So it seems the sphere of influence should have been tolerated by Russia? How can you lot support defending Ukraine by years of fighting and bloodshed and increasing the chances of a third world war? Peace talks need to happen now. We will all suffer apart from the mega rich who will profit. What if NATO go in full on? Will you support British men & women getting killed in this proxy war like you did with Iraq & Afghanistan bogus occupations?

You seem to watch a lot of mainstream russian media, you at least follow exactly their bloody nose line. first things first, a large section of the Russian political elite never accepted the collapse of the sovjet union. That's why when Putin rose to power, he changed the education, Stalin's crime's during the second world where marginalized Russia's role as superhero country that saved Europe expanded. That is important to know because within Russia, Russia controls what poeple known, outside it's an different story and that why there is more tension between the former sovjet countries, knowing the full facts they don't want to be part of Rusia again. The expansion of Nato, only came after request from indvidual member nations, where is Russia's CSTO is partly joined by countries that have an pro-russian leader installed by Russia first. and other countries like Armenia feel they have not other choice.

Indeed, they are the same thing.

Not really, rightly or wrongly they where i response to a threat, in case of Iraq because there was a fear they would invade their neigbours again, also not that this invasion didn't come out of nothing, Clinton had bombed/ shot missiles at them before.
Afganistan refused to transfer over Al-Qaida terrorist, something Saudi Arabia did. So it's not so unprovoked as claimed. (whether or not is was justified and substancial is a other discussion)

 

[Deleted member 49]

So Europe's been asking China to put some pressure on Russia for peace...but there not to keen now as they feel China took sides before the war started !

View: https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1629052624287703042?t=z5KZkrM4iSPMRMkz-rCE9w&s=19