BoldonLad
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I would doubt if even 10% of the uk population even know how the UK votes at the UN.
War with Russia
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I would doubt if even 10% of the uk population even know how the UK votes at the UN.
bobzmyunkle
Über Member
Beebo
Guru
The UK press would be all over it, if the UK voted alongside Russia and North Korea in a motion not condemning the war.
Not only Russia but Belarus and North Korea. They could have abstained eg as the "no limits" strategic partnership" (China) did or as India (still very dependent on Russia for arms. But no, they voted against with those countries. Others voting against strike me as more Trump "fanboys" eg Israel, Hungary, Argentina.
Ian
BoldonLad
Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
- Location
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True, but, judging by Newspapers finances, not a lot of people buy or read Newspapers, and, not a lot of people watch TV news. At least, that’s is true of my circle of acquaintances
It will be interesting to see how Trump moderates his critical minerals demands. For Ukraine allowing US some access could prove worthwhile. If US wants to exploit granted mineral rights then they wont want Russian missiles landing on them with the imminent prospect of Russian army arriving at their mines, so there will be some implied security guarantee from the US. Add that half of these reserves are located in territories currently annexed by Russia then if US wants them then those territories need to be returned to Ukraine in the peace negotiations.
The question is how much Ukraine would have to allow the US access to and who does the processing.
Some of the US money provided was provided as loans eg extraordinary revenue acceleration, repayment of this money is to be future proceeds from these Russian frozen assets (in US, European and a few other countries) at $3 billion/year so no offset repayment against minerals. Other loans from US are small (couple of bn).
nb it speaks volumes how Trump feels it appropriate to try and extort money and "payback" of aid granted. He might not agree with what Biden did but retrospectively changing the agreement just beggars belief. Is he going to start trying to reclaim military budgets from UK/Europe as he considers we've been "underpaying?
Ian
The question is how much Ukraine would have to allow the US access to and who does the processing.
Some of the US money provided was provided as loans eg extraordinary revenue acceleration, repayment of this money is to be future proceeds from these Russian frozen assets (in US, European and a few other countries) at $3 billion/year so no offset repayment against minerals. Other loans from US are small (couple of bn).
nb it speaks volumes how Trump feels it appropriate to try and extort money and "payback" of aid granted. He might not agree with what Biden did but retrospectively changing the agreement just beggars belief. Is he going to start trying to reclaim military budgets from UK/Europe as he considers we've been "underpaying?
Ian
dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
There isn't, while he was on the ball in his last time in office when he spoke about Europe making gas deals with Russia while on the other end portray them as one of the biggest threats, he completely lost the plot now. Mean if he really wants to portray the US as powerful world power now would be the best time to force Russia on it's knees and not ask them but force them to leave Ukraine sign a humiliating peace deal for them and like you said make them pay.
They don't but they also in majority don't really care or like politics, voter turnout is ridiculously low in us elections.
They only had two options realistically
Yes but also Starmer as PM wouldn't be able to sign executive orders to get his way with the only possibility to be overuled being the highest court which he would have filled with friends in the terms prior.
if anything these elections show how the us is in an constitutial crisis as Trump ignores the us consitution in many ways.
All because or leaders don't vote for things we as a country rallied against, both labour and tories are against Russia's useless war.
If we would have voted like the US it would have been noticed, and be big news in all media.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
What i have heard so far the deal for the minerals itself was not the biggest issue, the bigger issue was that there where no US security guarantees.
If those guarantees are not there, what is going to stop Russia from invading later and make a new deal with the us after captured it? Nato alliance would off course be the best protection but the next best would be us protection, especially if not even 4 years later the US could swing a whole other direction. And time and peace on itself is more in Ukraine's favor as Russia, as Ukraine was stable-ish before Russia started meddling Russia is only stable when they are at war, Russia faces a lot of problems stopping their war economy
I suspect the difficulty for Ukraine will trusting the US. Given how Trump has already given Putin much of what Putin wants without anything in return, given how much of the time when Trump opens his mouth on the subject he's singing Putin's tune, supporting Russia (eg UN vote the other day), whatever guarantees Trump offers Ukraine would anybody believe he'd honour them or when Russia resumes the war would he just start claiming Ukraine started it again so he won't honour his commitments.
Trump has repeatedly shown himself to be untrustworthy so how can Ukraine start to trust him now?
Ian
dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
Yes but the question is also what choice do they have? If the US steps out that is one thing, but it can also in the direction of the US helping Russia(i hope very unlikely) or Trump being angry that his deal is refused withdrawing us support and permission to use US weapons. That would be an big problem. en then next question would be is europe willing to step up.
But i agree with you trusting Trump is a bad choice, but i sadly also think Ukrainians are limited in their options, at least for the coming four years.
I suppose another aspect to Trump seeking minerals and laying into wanting refunds is that in his world loans don’t get repaid but rather delayed, taken to court, teams of lawyers argue irrelevant points, delay, and ... never get paid. Similarly, contracts have no meaning, no basis but rather ignored and argued about with threats, unilaterally changed terms, etc.until the strongest most persistent gets their way. It's just a different world to the one we live in.
Ian
Ian
CXRAndy
Senior Member
Ukraine signals agreement for mineral deal with USA
View: https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1894470942375776722?t=dqHDsMQhkBTypZXCubx5EQ&s=19
View: https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1894470942375776722?t=dqHDsMQhkBTypZXCubx5EQ&s=19
HMS_Dave
Regular
Instead of sharing bollöck's links from your reach around buddies, without any contributory thought, why don't you share what you think of the deal? Just assume for a moment that people commenting on a news and current affairs forum on the internet, might have an interest in the topic and can navigate to such sources for information on their own...
RecordAceFromNew
Regular
You think I remember you and what you said months/years ago? I can't even be bothered to look up what made me correct you. But for you to look and bring it up, if that is not butthurt as you call it, I don't know what is!
Talking about butthurt, a cursory glance up this thread would easily prove I am one of only a couple, if not the only commentator who has been foretelling the idiocy and hopelessness of Ukraine's position right from the beginning. So why should I get butthurt, when it is the legends of Ukraine's cheerleaders like you who are having eggs on face daily?
Think you have just confirmed my amateur diagnosis of psychological projection in your case being spot on!
Tintin as avatar? Crikey! You didn't know tintin is "famous" for riding something else?
With those examples, you wrote "as part of the same Russian people Russia claimed need saving as justification for the Ukraine
war".
Glad you made the point yourself - that has indeed been a key, well known reason for nearly every if not every military adventure instigated by Putin, including Ukraine. How is this consistent with the West's narrative of him being expansionistic? Do we have Russians need saving? I did not refer to those examples earlier only because your arguments are so self contradictory, that they are not worthy of comment.
I can't believe you continue to dig this "RT" hole. If Putin had exhibited an expansionistic streak on RT or indeed any Russian public media, would anybody with half a brain seriously believe banning RT broadcast by the West (actually just EU) would have stopped the West finding that out and broadcasting it?
Have you never heard of VPN?
A free lead for you - do you know you can access RT.com freely by VPN into America, Asia and even Europe using the free Opera browser, e.g.? Then according to YOU, YOU should be able to offer the world's first and only expose of Putin's expansionistic streak yourself!!! Second free bonus lead - you can use google translate if you can't read Russian!!
You can thank me later!
Oh dear. How much Kool-Aid have you been guzzling "bro"?
To have some basic understanding of this subject, is simply not to have lived under a rock, you know, given the Chinese have flown not just the world's first, but also the second (entirely different) 6th gen fighter prototype, setting military news around the world alight a couple of months ago. Meanwhile the US 6th gen NGAD fighter concept not only has never been seen in flight, it was sent back to the drawing board in September.
So I guess China has been stealing from the US what the US doesn't have. Right?
As if that is not bad enough, do you not know Elon Musk has opined loudly that the F35 programme you seem to be a fanboy of should be shut down pronto? And that it is common knowledge they are unreliable, expensive, and behind the time in utility, just like the vast majority of American gears?
Do keep up!
I am sorry to have to burst your bubble. Unlike the world us mere mortals live in, there is no higher authority above states. It is therefore an extremely common, yet fundamental mistake to equate dealings between countries with what we experience in our daily lives.
To introduce some realism into this discussion about any "peace deal" Ukraine is going to get, I suggest taking a look at this.
The chap has been writing thoughtful, sensible essays on the current subject. His personal experience in such dealings shines through - I suspect he was a mandarin in the Foreign Office, of the Sir Humphreys kind, when successive UK governments were still supported by a mostly learned, professional institution called the Civil Service, before they were totally side-lined by SPADS straight out of nappies and the like of Dom Cummings.
HMS_Dave
Regular
No i don't, but i had a vague recollection of reading that in one of your posts and rather keeping up with the times, the forum has a search function that can have it up in mere seconds. People need to remember, what goes on the internet, generally stays on it.
You can attempt to deflect your butthurt state of questioning of avatars all day, but it is quite clear, it upset you. You will not be allowed to forget that for as long as you keep bringing it up. Your only options are to desist or beg a mod for mercy, should one arrive to save you on this minimally moderated corner of CC.
Im not really keen on Tintin or the lore and controversies. But, i was just asking if he rode a bike as i seem to recall he might of? It appears to be my lucky day and that we have a Tintin expert right here on our very own pokey forum.
So, did he ride a bike?
