War with Russia

[Rusty Nails]

In my post, which you quoted, would you care to show me where I mentioned any of the bolded bits?, let alone said I admired them?

Those were his tactics, which got him media coverage, unless, of course, you wish to disagree.
You said getting that media coverage was impressive. I never used the word "admired".

Farage, or anyone else, using underhand methods to gain success is not impressive

 

[Milzy]

Copy and pasting nonsense never works out well for you, the last time you tried that was the list of credible doctors.

Putin has always had a chip on his shoulder regarding Ukraine, it had shipyards he wanted, and it's usual rich with mineral wealth and agriculture.

Yes I agree about Putin. I discovered most of the doctors were nut jobs.
Still Putin is playing into the hands of the USA. This has all been planned for 8 years.
What would you do? Look the other way like many of the cowards I imagine.

 

[Milzy]

Sick of all this I support Ukraine virtue signaling on social media. What are you going to do bake them a cake?
Russia doing this invasion will nowhere near equalize the aggression of the USA and NATO in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. Plus supporting the Saudi genocide in Yemen. They showed Putin how it's done. They have poked the bear too much, as if on purpose for some reason? Maybe to stop the Nord stream 2 pipe line? Instead of waking up & thinking about it people continue to watch main stream media & post misinformation like scenes from video games & other unverified rollox. As usual CC members just want to insult one another & are happy in their protected little bubble behind a keyboard. Why don’t they contribute something worthwhile to the discussion. What do you think the west should do? The answer is probably nothing.
Anyway f@** it, work tomorrow to pay for the rising gas bills.

 

[Johnno260]

Yes I agree about Putin. I discovered most of the doctors were nut jobs.
Still Putin is playing into the hands of the USA. This has all been planned for 8 years.
What would you do? Look the other way like many of the cowards I imagine.

How am I a coward? You confront a bully and Putin is a bully, and he is getting a bloody nose from Ukrainian forces this isn’t a country his forces can roll over as easily as they have done in other places.

 

[Ian H]

Those were his tactics, which got him media coverage, unless, of course, you wish to disagree.
You said getting that media coverage was impressive. I never used the word "admired".

Farage, or anyone else, using underhand methods to gain success is not impressive

Google Horatio Bottomley for an antecedent.

 

[Milzy]

How am I a coward? You confront a bully and Putin is a bully, and he is getting a bloody nose from Ukrainian forces this isn’t a country his forces can roll over as easily as they have done in other places.

I sure hope you are right.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Well Farage certainly was a fraction.....of what a politician should be.

Yeah ok, i understand it scores you likes and shoot, but it's hardly the point. If you cloud look past your hatred against Farage you might get my point, otherwise you're just as ignorant as the politicians who don't get where's Farage voters are coming from.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Sick of all this I support Ukraine virtue signaling on social media. What are you going to do bake them a cake?
Russia doing this invasion will nowhere near equalize the aggression of the USA and NATO in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. Plus supporting the Saudi genocide in Yemen. They showed Putin how it's done. They have poked the bear too much, as if on purpose for some reason? Maybe to stop the Nord stream 2 pipe line? Instead of waking up & thinking about it people continue to watch main stream media & post misinformation like scenes from video games & other unverified rollox. As usual CC members just want to insult one another & are happy in their protected little bubble behind a keyboard. Why don’t they contribute something worthwhile to the discussion. What do you think the west should do? The answer is probably nothing.
Anyway f@** it, work tomorrow to pay for the rising gas bills.

There is little that the West can do other than sanctions in the short/medium term, but they have to be hard and united. NATO troops and direct military action is not an option given the potential for spread to other countries and a huge death toll because of the mindset of the leader. In the longer term energy policy will need to change, especially in mainland Europe, to be less reliant on such an unpredictable country, and unfortunately all European countries will have to consider spending even more money on defence, including on NATO. Putin's government only respects military strength.

The downside to all this will be that it will push Russia even closer to China, but I believe that is inevitable anyway and something we are going to have to live with.

In the UK we need the ambition to spend serious money on renewable energy such as tidal power, and, even though this will displease many, I believe fracking will come back on the agenda.

I have a faint hope, but accept the naivety of it, that the people of Russia will turn against him when they realise the enormity of what is going on, and even that the people of Belarus, who are not exactly in love with Lukashenko, might rebel against being a poodle of Russia. I fully accept the remoteness of these possibilities.

 

[Deleted member 49]

There is little that the West can do other than sanctions in the short/medium term, but they have to be hard and united. NATO troops and direct military action is not an option given the potential for spread to other countries and a huge death toll because of the mindset of the leader. In the longer term energy policy will need to change, especially in mainland Europe, to be less reliant on such an unpredictable country, and unfortunately all European countries will have to consider spending even more money on defence, including on NATO. Putin's government only respects military strength.

The downside to all this will be that it will push Russia even closer to China, but I believe that is inevitable anyway and something we are going to have to live with.

In the UK we need the ambition to spend serious money on renewable energy such as tidal power, and, even though this will displease many, I believe fracking will come back on the agenda.

I have a faint hope, but accept the naivety of it, that the people of Russia will turn against him when they realise the enormity of what is going on, and even that the people of Belarus, who are not exactly in love with Lukashenko, might rebel against being a poodle of Russia. I fully accept the remoteness of these possibilities.

I have a feeling that sanctions won't do a thing to stop him.
Fracking FFS....how close do you live to a fracking site ? If you think that's the answer were fecked !

 

[Johnno260]

I sure hope you are right.

Don’t get me wrong I don’t think Ukraine can beat Putins forces if it’s a long war, but and it’s a big but the Ukrainians aren’t going down without a fight.

If body bags start going back to Russia in large numbers then we may see him back off, also bear in mind sizeable protests have already occurred across Russia in 56 cities and protestors there won’t be treated kindly by the state at all.

I’m not anti Russia I’m anti Putin the guys been in power too long and I don’t think that’s a healthy thing for any world leader in any country.

 

[Mugshot]

Now empty their bank accounts.


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[Milzy]

Don’t get me wrong I don’t think Ukraine can beat Putins forces if it’s a long war, but and it’s a big but the Ukrainians aren’t going down without a fight.

If body bags start going back to Russia in large numbers then we may see him back off, also bear in mind sizeable protests have already occurred across Russia in 56 cities and protestors there won’t be treated kindly by the state at all.

I’m not anti Russia I’m anti Putin the guys been in power too long and I don’t think that’s a healthy thing for any world leader in any country.

Look at Russia in Afghanistan. Gorilla tactics had them fleeing with all their might. Ukraine need ghost ops in there picking them all off in the cities.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

No different to the British using Gurkhas in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Even if that would be the case makes that Putin any better? It just sounds what i toddler would say to me ''but they did it too'' I really don't care which country does it, it's wrong.

The boundaries drawn were agreed with the Russian Federation and further supported in the signing of the Budapest agreement. Whether you are right or wrong, Russia in part would also share responsibility for that mistake. Neither of which however, explains the "nazification" of Ukraine....

regarding ''nazification, it comes from 2014 and from Putin's friends in the seperatist/pro-russia part of Ukraine. They where beaten by the Azov Battalion, which has on logo that looks like nazi/waffen ss quote from wikipedia
''In 2014, the regiment gained notoriety after allegations emerged of torture and war crimes as well as neo-Nazi sympathies and usage of associated symbols by the regiment itself, as seen in their logo featuring the Wolfsangel, one of the original symbols used by the 2nd SS Panzer Division Das Reich. Representatives of the Azov Battalion say that the symbol is an abbreviation for the slogan Ідея Нації (Ukrainian for "National Idea") and deny connection with Nazism.[11] In 2014, a spokesman for the regiment said around 10–20% of the unit were neo-Nazis.''
(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion )

So russia is effectively demanding the Ukrainian army to be dismantled, years after the claims where first made. Something like false flag comes to mind

 

[Johnno260]

Look at Russia in Afghanistan. Gorilla tactics had them fleeing with all their might. Ukraine need ghost ops in there picking them all off in the cities.

That’s the line the Ukraine forces are going with guerrilla warfare.

NATO won’t put boots on the ground but I have no issue arming them with defensive weapons, the best anti armour and anti air weapons we have, make it so Putin can’t bear the cost.

 

[Deleted member 121]

There is little that the West can do other than sanctions in the short/medium term, but they have to be hard and united. NATO troops and direct military action is not an option given the potential for spread to other countries and a huge death toll because of the mindset of the leader. In the longer term energy policy will need to change, especially in mainland Europe, to be less reliant on such an unpredictable country, and unfortunately all European countries will have to consider spending even more money on defence, including on NATO. Putin's government only respects military strength.

The downside to all this will be that it will push Russia even closer to China, but I believe that is inevitable anyway and something we are going to have to live with.

In the UK we need the ambition to spend serious money on renewable energy such as tidal power, and, even though this will displease many, I believe fracking will come back on the agenda.

I have a faint hope, but accept the naivety of it, that the people of Russia will turn against him when they realise the enormity of what is going on, and even that the people of Belarus, who are not exactly in love with Lukashenko, might rebel against being a poodle of Russia. I fully accept the remoteness of these possibilities.

For Russia's people to turn against Putin for all their bravery is a death sentence. Most of Russia's wealth is tied up in just a few hundred people, all of which close to Putin. He has an iron grip on Russia and to lose it, is to lose that wealth. People will disappear and people will blindly accept his reasonings out of fear and nationalistic pride. So like you, i share a faint hope but it's really not going to happen.

Russia will cosy up to China, but in reality, have been for quite some time. The $100bn, 30 year gas deal was done before the invasion and i would expect more energy, defence/defence equipment and technology co-operation deals with the two countries going forwards in light of current events. I would not be surprised if we see a NATO style alliance being formed with Russia and China being the main signatories along with aligned "satellite" states moving forward. A true rival to NATO and a truly frightening prospect to world peace and the future of humanity...