War with Russia

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winjim

Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
Well, we're in the process of clearing out some of our baby things and we've found someone who's collecting slings to give to Ukrainian refugees in Poland. So we've done something to help. It's a tiny, seemingly insignificant something, but at least it's something. I hope it makes someone's life a bit more bearable.
 
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Good Boy!😎
 

mudsticks

Squire
Well, we're in the process of clearing out some of our baby things and we've found someone who's collecting slings to give to Ukrainian refugees in Poland. So we've done something to help. It's a tiny, seemingly insignificant something, but at least it's something. I hope it makes someone's life a bit more bearable.


Small acts of solidarity like this can make a difference imo.

At least in one person's life, it reminds them of the care and humanity that does exist in so many people across the globe , and can help them at least as individuals carry on.

Even in the face of mindless bullies, intent only on their own power hungry advancement .

I tend to support smaller charities too, those supported by people whose opinions I respect, so my relatively tiny amounts of money can make some difference.

This lot got a few of my pounds earlier this week.
 

winjim

Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
Small acts of solidarity like this can make a difference imo.

At least in one person's life, it reminds them of the care and humanity that does exist in so many people across the globe , and can help them at least as individuals carry on.

Even in the face of mindless bullies, intent only on their own power hungry advancement .

I tend to support smaller charities too, those supported by people whose opinions I respect, so my relatively tiny amounts of money can make some difference.

This lot got a few of my pounds earlier this week.
It is quite literally the least we could do. But if one mother can carry her child that little bit closer, it could help both of them get through this horror.
 
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Milzy

Milzy

Well-Known Member
Why don’t they join the EU now? Then they’d get more help? Russia could stop wasting armour & send in waves of infantry to overwhelm them. Volodymyr Zelenskyy is out of his depth & is probably hiding in a bunker miles away.

Russia doesn’t usually stick its nose in when the US decides to blow up some brown people.
The U.K. has stopped selling Russia Jaguar cars & chocolate truffles. Also the local boozer has stopped serving Russian vodka. China will lend them money. This will be like another 100 years war.
 

mudsticks

Squire
It is quite literally the least we could do. But if one mother can carry her child that little bit closer, it could help both of them get through this horror.
Small acts of kindness reverberate..
Ripples in a pond and so forth .


Just as the opposite applies.

Even looked at from a more cynical, purely strategic pov wars are also 'won' or lost on propaganda , and public feeling .

Seems that large sections of the general Russian population are already very unhappy about this invasion by their crackpot leader..

Critical mass, of critical public opinion, esp in these times of globally accessed news and opinion is a powerful force..
Not always for the good I know - but maybe in this case it could just be 🤔
 
The have lost a lot of tanks, NATO countries sent lots of anti armour weaponry.
More importantly, what you see from captured Russian soldiers is that they are badly motivated, badly instructed very young and inexperienced.
Where is the Ukrainians are fighting for their country and have the advantage of knowing every other alley etc. even the fist batch of Chechen troops have been defeated.
But also logistics, there are lots of video's of Russian solders raiding supermarkets or food or tanks left abandoned because they ran out of fuel
 

mudsticks

Squire
More importantly, what you see from captured Russian soldiers is that they are badly motivated, badly instructed very young and inexperienced.
Where is the Ukrainians are fighting for their country and have the advantage of knowing every other alley etc. even the fist batch of Chechen troops have been defeated.
But also logistics, there are lots of video's of Russian solders raiding supermarkets or food or tanks left abandoned because they ran out of fuel
I'm guessing these young Russian soldiers 'signed up' for all this in some way shape or form.
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Naïvely imagining they were going to fight some kind of 'good fight' for the motherland ??

But I can't also help feeling sympathy for those 'fairly' innocent young lives caught up in all this expansionist adventuring of a power crazed madman, too.

Same for the Russian citizens back home who want no part in this..
 

Mugshot

Über Member
More importantly, what you see from captured Russian soldiers is that they are badly motivated, badly instructed very young and inexperienced.
Where is the Ukrainians are fighting for their country and have the advantage of knowing every other alley etc. even the fist batch of Chechen troops have been defeated.
But also logistics, there are lots of video's of Russian solders raiding supermarkets or food or tanks left abandoned because they ran out of fuel
I haven't watched a lot of the videos, for one it's difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff, for another a lot of them are just too heartbreaking.
However, what I have seen of the captured Russian troops are videos of scared boys (all claiming to have beleived they were taking part in exercises, which I don't believe they believe), they're all someone's sons, brothers, boyfriends etc.
There is a huge human cost on both sides of this, and the people directing this war will most likely not suffer as a consequence.

Edit: Cross posted with @mudsticks and kinda said the same thing.
 

Ian H

Legendary Member
Small acts of kindness reverberate..
Ripples in a pond and so forth .


Just as the opposite applies.

Even looked at from a more cynical, purely strategic pov wars are also 'won' or lost on propaganda , and public feeling .

Seems that large sections of the general Russian population are already very unhappy about this invasion by their crackpot leader..

Critical mass, of critical public opinion, esp in these times of globally accessed news and opinion is a powerful force..
Not always for the good I know - but maybe in this case it could just be 🤔
Indeed. If the Russians don't succeed, or get bogged down in a prolonged conflict, Putin's going to be caught between a rock and a hard place. To withdraw is to lose face, but to continue to throw lives at the conflict might sink what popular support he has, not to mention the support of the oligarchs whose wealth could be at risk.
 

mudsticks

Squire
From behind the Torygraph pay wall..
For those (understandably) squeamish about visiting such places .



" MI6 chief believes Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine could be 'unwinnable'
Richard Moore says 'fascinating' theory that Russia cannot secure a wider political victory makes 'sense'

By
Steve Bird
26 February 2022 • 3:52pm
A Ukrainian soldier walks past the debris of a burning military truck in Kyiv

The head of MI6 has revealed he believes Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine will probably be “unwinnable” because the Russian president will never secure a wider political victory.

Richard Moore, the chief of the UK Secret Intelligence Service, wrote how a report by a leading professor was “fascinating” after it suggested the Russian president will fail in Ukraine because he underestimated its military might and its people’s determination to defend their country.

In a comment posted on his Twitter account, Moore, 58, said the article published by Prof Sir Lawrence Freedman, the Emeritus Professor of War Studies at King’s College London, which claimed Putin was “prone to outrageous theories” and an “unhinged rant”, made perfectly good “sense”.

The paper, called A Reckless Gamble, concludes that “whatever the military victories to come, this will be an extraordinarily difficult war for Putin to win politically”.


The professor points out how, despite their military “superiority ... and potentially overwhelming numbers [of troops]”, Russian forces “made less progress than might have been expected on the first day”, even though they had the advantage of “tactical surprise”.

“Yet it is still reasonable to ask if Vladimir Putin has launched an unwinnable war,” Sir Lawrence wrote on the website Substack.

Posting a link to the article, Moore, the foreign spy chief, wrote: “Fascinating. Makes sense to me.”

The intelligence service boss, who has more than 133,000 followers on the social media platform, stresses on his profile that “retweets show my interest was piqued, nothing more.”

It is unusual for the MI6 chief to comment so openly about speculation regarding international and diplomatically sensitive affairs.


Around the same time, he posted a comment praising this year’s LGBT History Month, adding: “With the tragedy and destruction unfolding so distressingly in Ukraine, we should remember the values and hard-won freedoms that distinguish us from Putin, none more than LGBT+ rights.”

He included an account of one of his intelligence operatives who told of their delight after discovering an “LGBT+ network group” shortly after joining MI6 which offered support and reassurance.

Earlier this week, Moore, known in Whitehall as C, took to Twitter to boast how his spies, along with their American counterparts, scored a considerable intelligence victory over Russia after uncovering Putin’s plans to order an attack on Ukraine.

'Unprovoked cruel aggression'
Moore wrote: “US and UK intelligence communities uncovered Putin’s plans for Ukraine.

“We exposed his attempts to engineer ‘false flag’, fake attacks to justify his invasion. This attack was long-planned, unprovoked, cruel aggression.”

Russia had dismissed the West's claims as anti-Russian hysteria and disinformation.


Although, perhaps inevitably, Moore failed to give any indication of where or how the intelligence was gleaned.

But, this latest approval of the professor’s paper offers a tantalising insight into what Moore thinks of Putin.

The professor wrote how Ukraine’s “spirited resistance” meant “we have been reminded that the morale and determination of those defending their country tends to be higher than that of those mounting an invasion, especially if they are unsure why they are doing so.”

He said Putin’s “less than sure-footed start to his campaign”, in part owing to an army with “limited” experience of large-scale ground operations, meant Russia would have to treat Ukraine with “more respect” and respond more methodically.

The professor concludes: “At times in democracies we lament the flabbiness, incoherence, short-sightedness and inertia of our decision-making, compared with autocrats who can outsmart us by thinking long-term and then taking bold steps without any need to convince a sceptical public, listen to critics, or be held back by such awkward constraints as the rule of law.

“Putin reminds us that autocracy can lead to great errors, and while democracy by no means precludes us [from] making our own mistakes, it at least allows us opportunities to move swiftly to new leaders and new policies when that happens. Would that this now happens in Russia.”

... The bolded bit is a good retort to all those 'Lozza Fox' sorts who seem to be trying to suggest that a progressive, and robust upholding of minority rights is a sign of weakness.
 

winjim

Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
Good news for all the wannabes on twitter busy dispensing tactical urban warfare advice. The foreign secretary has said that she will support any British citizens who want to go to Ukraine and take up arms against the Russians.

She won't, of course.
 
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