War with Russia

[Mr Celine]

And here's the alt-right wing xenophobic student group Turning Point endorsing the vile racist dickhead @LozzaFox

Has Lozza joined up yet?

 

[Ian H]

Has Lozza joined up yet?

Are you talking about his handwriting?

 

[Mugshot]

I don't think they'll prevail, I think Russia will be too powerful and too well armed.
But the Ukranian soldiers, their President, cabinet, their former President, and the ordinary men and women, have left me truly humbled, and, I'm not ashamed to say, a little tearful at times, quite extraordinary.

 

[Milzy]

I don't think they'll prevail, I think Russia will be too powerful and too well armed.
But the Ukranian soldiers, their President, cabinet, their former President, and the ordinary men and women, have left me truly humbled, and, I'm not ashamed to say, a little tearful at times, quite extraordinary.

Why are they been so slow? In WW2 they used Blitzkreig tactics. Tanks just sat there out of fuel like sitting ducks? Come on something stinks here.

 

[StuAff]

The damage the two sides are actually inflicting on each other- as opposed to their claims- cannot be accurately verified, though I'd give rather more credence to the Ukrainian figures than the Russian. What is certainly evident that it is going far from the plan for the Russian forces. Resistance has been heavy, supply lines are stretched. The lack of 'positive' reporting from state media and clamping down on both protest and various means of disseminating dissent certainly does not imply everything's going well. Putin's obsession with history clearly didn't extend to revising past actions in Finland or Afghanistan, let alone actually understanding how strong Ukrainian national identity is. They survived multiple invasions, occupations, Tsarism, Stalin's famines, WW2, and they'll survive Putin and his cronies. Sadly, I doubt this will be beaten back, but the occupation will not be the end of Ukrainian independence.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Why are they been so slow? In WW2 they used Blitzkreig tactics. Tanks just sat there out of fuel like sitting ducks? Come on something stinks here.

??

What on earth does "something stinks" mean in this context?

Any conspiracy theories or secret agenda/tactics of Russia that you want to let us into?

This is not WW2.

 

[Johnno260]

Why are they been so slow? In WW2 they used Blitzkreig tactics. Tanks just sat there out of fuel like sitting ducks? Come on something stinks here.

The have lost a lot of tanks, NATO countries sent lots of anti armour weaponry.

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

Are you saying Zelensky is a neo-nazi? You can't rebuke an assumption with another assumption... We will end up in circles. Happy to be educated on the fact, if it is indeed one...

How is it a near perfect parallel to the cuban missile crisis? Where are the nukes?
Are you saying Zelensky is a neo-nazi? You can't rebuke an assumption with another assumption... We will end up in circles. Happy to be educated on the fact, if it is indeed one...

I never said Zelensky is a neo-nazi, I simply rebutted your argument that a Jew can't be a neo-nazi, or in this case a Jew and a neo-nazi somehow can't be on the same side.

The long held tenet US followed during the Cuban missile crisis, and the basis of many foreign incursions / regime changes by various US presidents, is the Monroe Doctrine from early 19th century. It obviously says nothing about nukes, but rather hostility in one's backyard. Hence you do not need nukes to draw a near perfect parallel.

And yes, Putin will replace him. At best there will be a sham election, but either way, he'll be just like that Lukashenko character. Leading his people to an oppressive future for the new generation of people as we have seen in Belarus. Good eh?

The Ukranians have sadly been shafted, and I suspect you know which country I consider most accountable. Just learnt Zelensky has said Ukraine would abandon joining NATO and to maintain neutrality, so if he is suitably remorseful, accepts demilitarisation and will/can push through some form of Minsk II+, perhaps Putin might even let him keep his job. I think he is not a serious character so I don't think Putin will trust him, but who knows?

I will however invite you to comment on the potential notion that Putin is actually engaged and motivated by a religious war in Ukraine in a bid to capture the holy land of Russian Orthodoxy. Kyiv being a very important place in this respect. This has been suggested based on his 40 minute ramble on his address to his people. Any thoughts?

Suspect not, it is what people do, not say, that counts. This tracks what Putin has done to avoid striking, let alone occupation. So I doubt he has any appetite staying any longer than necessary to neutralise a future source of threat and instabililty. Putin knew the invasion is going to cost him/Russia dearly for years, but he is the one who is literally backed into a corner facing an increasing cost of inaction. Meanwhile, Biden simply stumbled into yet another avoidable sinkhole for riches and attention, having just pulled himself out from another with honour in tatters, to free US to focus on containing China, apparently...

 

[newfhouse]

I suspect you know which country I consider most accountable

I’m guessing you don’t mean Russia, the country that’s doing the actual invading?

 

[Beebo]

Why are they been so slow? In WW2 they used Blitzkreig tactics. Tanks just sat there out of fuel like sitting ducks? Come on something stinks here.

Even Putin knows he has to be seen to protect civilians.
The UN charter on protecting innocent civilians means the UN would have to get involved if Russia started carpet bombing Kyiv. I presume they would have to put peacekeeping forces in from non NATO countries.
The days of Stalingrad and Dresden are thankfully behind us at the moment.

 

[mudsticks]

Of course so much of all this is bound up in money, and fossil fuel supplies.

(Aside that is from the despotic paranoid sociopath stuff )

I found this an enlightening article about SWIFT which is being posited as a sanctioning tool.

https://www.wealthsimple.com/en-ca/magazine/swift-biden-putin-sanctions-russia-explainer

The only 'good' I can see coming of all this terrible situation, is a renewed impetus to move away from fossil fuels towards more sustainable, and secure sources of energy..

 

[Hitchington]

I'm concerned about some of the language and narrative being used to describe the Ukrainian people is this increasing terrible situation. I don't really think that calling Ukrainian's "heroes, heroic or brave" really helps the situation. It distorts the situation and gives us a false idea that civilians armed with rifles, shotguns, petrol bombs and knives will be able to defeat an invading force armed with trained soldiers, tanks and thermobaric weapons. Especially when the voices coming out of Ukraine are saying "where is the West, where is NATO?"

Creating this "heroic" folklore can slow the response needed including refusing to take Ukrainian refugees without condition.



And "#prayingforukraine" won't help either

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

I’m guessing you don’t mean Russia, the country that’s doing the actual invading?

Nyet.

It is the country that invented the Monroe Doctrine, applies it meticulously for themselves, yet finds no irony in encircling rivals. It will undermine potentially powerful even if non-expansionist rivals by balkanisation, destablisation, fanning civil unrests / sedition / regime changes etc. with zero regard for human consequences. It loudly opines on and dabbles in others' internal affairs, while ignoring its own peoples' plights.

It is a bit like some big fat powerful guy who lives across town with a long history of GBH standing at your door waving a baseball bat menacingly shouting at you telling you how you should teach your kids and treat your spouse, while his are suicidal fentanyl addicts because of him. There is no law, by the way, not one that could fine him, never mind putting him in prison.

No. It is not the country that invaded. It likes you to think so though, and has phenomenal success shaping Western public opinion to achieve just that.

 

[FishFright]

Even Putin knows he has to be seen to protect civilians.
The UN charter on protecting innocent civilians means the UN would have to get involved if Russia started carpet bombing Kyiv. I presume they would have to put peacekeeping forces in from non NATO countries.
The days of Stalingrad and Dresden are thankfully behind us at the moment.

Doesn't Russia still have it's UN veto ?

 

[deptfordmarmoset]