War with Russia

[Moodyman]

Should we start digging holes in our gardens and lining shelters with lead?

That's what our rulers want us to think. But, if you give up some personal freedoms, they'll see to it that we're kept safe.

 

[FishFright]

Militarily prepare to stand up and be counted.
Rapidly deploy in large numbers within striking distance then don't pander to him. He cannot be allowed to think he can threaten or invade the likes of Ukraine because he wants to. Sanctions are all well and good, but it's water of a ducks back once he's in Kiyv....

Against Russia ?? Are you mad ??

 

[Fab Foodie]

Against Russia ?? Are you mad ??

Not at all. Nato has the capability and Putin doesn't want the cost. We shouldn't make it easy for him to roll his tanks over borders at will.
If Nato can't then it's a busted flush. Putin understands Nato has the capability but lack the will.

 

[FishFright]

Not at all. Nato has the capability and Putin doesn't want the cost. We shouldn't make it easy for him to roll his tanks over borders at will.
If Nato can't then it's a busted flush. Putin understands Nato has the capability but lack the will.

Yeah , you are crazy. I'm guessing your boots won't be first on the ground.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Not at all. Nato has the capability and Putin doesn't want the cost. We shouldn't make it easy for him to roll his tanks over borders at will.

Yeah , you are crazy. I'm guessing your boots won't be first on the ground.

Flat feet and too old....
I didn't say I like it, but I think it's necessary if we want a more stable and wider 'Europe' until Putin's ousting/demise.
Otherwise, what really is the point of NATO or any armed forces other than that required for home defence?
If you want tyrants to take over more of the world, then acquiesce militarily...Afghanistan is a timely reminder.

Have you spoken with anyone you know in Ukraine this week?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Not at all. Nato has the capability and Putin doesn't want the cost. We shouldn't make it easy for him to roll his tanks over borders at will.
If Nato can't then it's a busted flush. Putin understands Nato has the capability but lack the will.

Against Russia ?? Are you mad ??

Although it is almost impossible to know what his real aims are, Putin knows full well that NATO will not directly intervene because Ukraine is not a member. IMO it may be, because of the stakes in terms of deaths and potential escalation, that it is a price the West, and more importantly, the unfortunate people of the Ukraine will have to pay, but we in the West will never be able to look the people of the Ukraine in the eyes again without a justified feeling of shame.

But if Russia does invade (and that is not a certainty, then NATO has to offer more than just passive support to Russia's neighbours who are members, and the US, UK and the EU and preferably all civilised countries should treat Russia as a pariah state using all the sanctions, financial and otherwise, that they can. European countries in particular will have to cease their reliance on Russian gas. It will be hard but to do otherwise will just encourage Russia.

There are dangers in this, of course, as it will harden Putin's stance and probably strengthen Russian/Chinese links, but the option is to allow him to, by stealth, rebuild the USSR.

The world has become a much more unpredictable and dangerous place but the blame for this in recent years rests on Putin's Russia imo.

 

[Mugshot]

The world has become a much more unpredictable and dangerous place but the blame for this in recent years rests on Putin's Russia imo.

I'd agree with the first part of this sentence, however, I'd add to the second part that the willingness of the UK and the US, and others too I'm sure, to launder and pander to Russian money and influence puts the blame as much with the West as it does with Putin.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I'd agree with the first part of this sentence, however, I'd add to the second part that the willingness of the UK and the US, and others too I'm sure, to launder and pander to Russian money and influence puts the blame as much with the West as it does with Putin.

That is one of the things that I should have put as a price that has to be paid, alongside reliance on gas. Our avarice and weakness has encouraged Putin to literally push the boundaries, and to turn Russia into a country, as bad or even worse than the West, where the overwhelming wealth of the country is in the hands of a few.

 

[theclaud]

I didn't say I like it, but I think it's necessary

He said he didn't like it, but he'd have to go along with it.

 

[Fab Foodie]

He said he didn't like it, but he'd have to go along with it.

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Who he?

 

[Mugshot]

Who he?

Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan

 

[Fab Foodie]

Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan

Goes off to google....

 

[Fab Foodie]

Ok, am none the wiser but better informed....

 

[Beebo]

Genuine photo of Putin meeting the German chancellor to discuss Ukraine.

Absolute trolling by the Russians.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Meeting with his poodle Lukashenko.

Spot the difference