War with Russia

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MrGrumpy

Regular
Going to be an interesting next 6 months with demand for gas, the price increase on the markets starting already again. The past reliance on Russian gas is plain to see. Sanctions on Russia , the equivalent is the gas prices everywhere else. Don’t see things improving anytime soon.
 
Russia's newest air defence..(below look at it shine while the guy in uniform talks) guess no rockets on crimea anymore.. lol


View: https://twitter.com/na_intel/status/1557381938742263808
 
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Milzy

Milzy

Well-Known Member
With what does Ukraine or anyone else negotiate with?
We've been peacefully negotiating with Russia for decades and been taken for fools.
Putin only understands and wants one thing, and that's power. If you want to negotiate with him you have to give him more of what he wants. The more power he has, the more freedom to get away with what he wants because the democratic world doesn't have the balls to stand up to him.

Correct, he will rebuild the Soviet Union unless he dies & who ever takes over decides to pull back on that plan. Our media saying they’ve lost 80,000 what a joke. More like 18,000 tops.
 

Beebo

Veteran
Correct, he will rebuild the Soviet Union unless he dies & who ever takes over decides to pull back on that plan. Our media saying they’ve lost 80,000 what a joke. More like 18,000 tops.

How do you know the number of dead? NATO are reporting about 15,000 deaths.
The 80,000 number is a high estimate by the UK government, not the UK media, for killed, wounded or AWOL.
 
Correct, he will rebuild the Soviet Union unless he dies & who ever takes over decides to pull back on that plan. Our media saying they’ve lost 80,000 what a joke. More like 18,000 tops.
15.000 is incredibly low, most realistic estimates are around 45k 200s, lots more wounded. Notable also a lot by their own artillery/aviation etc. not including pmc, and donetsk, luhansk forces.
Rebuilding the sovjet union? With the amount of troops en equipment they lost in Ukraine alone? Not gonna happen Putins wet dream is falling apart, both by international pressurre and military defeat. Russia is not without reason pushing for ''negotiations'' there losing and self proclaimed 3 day war. any peace deals is their only way out. expect for military defeat.
 
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Milzy

Milzy

Well-Known Member
15.000 is incredibly low, most realistic estimates are around 45k 200s, lots more wounded. Notable also a lot by their own artillery/aviation etc. not including pmc, and donetsk, luhansk forces.
Rebuilding the sovjet union? With the amount of troops en equipment they lost in Ukraine alone? Not gonna happen Putins wet dream is falling apart, both by international pressurre and military defeat. Russia is not without reason pushing for ''negotiations'' there losing and self proclaimed 3 day war. any peace deals is their only way out. expect for military defeat.

You’ve been listening to western propaganda. I have a mole over there & Russia are controlling almost half of all energy & minerals. They’re recruiting new forces by promising to pay them a bonus for joining.
They are in charge of the nuclear power station that they’re accused of shelling. How can you shell your own men in a captured power station? It’s up to the Russians to make sure it runs safe as possible or any leakage would get NATO involved. The only shells/rockets will be coming from the Ukrainian side. The USA have too many business interests there so will just prolong the war for many years instead of trying to find a peaceful solution.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
You’ve been listening to western propaganda. I have a mole over there & Russia are controlling almost half of all energy & minerals. They’re recruiting new forces by promising to pay them a bonus for joining.
They are in charge of the nuclear power station that they’re accused of shelling. How can you shell your own men in a captured power station? It’s up to the Russians to make sure it runs safe as possible or any leakage would get NATO involved. The only shells/rockets will be coming from the Ukrainian side. The USA have too many business interests there so will just prolong the war for many years instead of trying to find a peaceful solution.

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You’ve been listening to western propaganda. I have a mole over there & Russia are controlling almost half of all energy & minerals. They’re recruiting new forces by promising to pay them a bonus for joining.
They are in charge of the nuclear power station that they’re accused of shelling. How can you shell your own men in a captured power station? It’s up to the Russians to make sure it runs safe as possible or any leakage would get NATO involved. The only shells/rockets will be coming from the Ukrainian side. The USA have too many business interests there so will just prolong the war for many years instead of trying to find a peaceful solution.
I read sources from both sides like a said before, the official line indeed says everything is going great. Just as North Korea also always claims their gret leader is doing great. However beneath the surface, for example from military blogger on the russian side, leaked conversation from solders to relatives(not just one but multiple) etc. etc. shows a whole different picture. Not to say that Ukraine isn't in the propaganda game, sure their official claims also not always line up with reality however if Russia was really that successful would they be forced to pull their forces away from the battlefield because Ukraine can and has hit Crimea? (with rockets they already had, not Himars like some Russian sources claim)
The only way for Russia to get out of there without losing face or with the least amount of losing face is by a peace deal.

That making sure Nato is involved, is that the same as all those prisoners of war they claimed died because of a Himars attack, yet refuse to let any international organization like the Red Cross verify? (and from pictures/video's many experts say it's not consistent with an himars attack but more like an explosion or arson.)

That's standard for Russian propaganda and that shows why i said in the beginning that Nato should have been involved, not being there now has resulted in playing dice at a nuclear plant.. and all those guys claiming that Nato involvement would risk Russia using nuclear weapons, well where in the same position now.
I don't believe a word of Russia's claims because you know, they have a tendency to be never really true.
There is evidence of Russia Putting military verhicles inside the power plant, there is no evidence of Ukraine shelling their own poeple or that nuclear power plant. Quite the contrary if you read leaked russian solders reports the one thing that stands out is that they all say that Ukrainian artillery is so f*cking precise especially compared to their approach while they still have much more artillery's in numbers, they just bomb whole places, i mean all those Russian ''liberated'' cities look like f*cking parking lots because they bombed it to the ground.
 

MrGrumpy

Regular
You’ve been listening to western propaganda. I have a mole over there & Russia are controlling almost half of all energy & minerals. They’re recruiting new forces by promising to pay them a bonus for joining.
They are in charge of the nuclear power station that they’re accused of shelling. How can you shell your own men in a captured power station? It’s up to the Russians to make sure it runs safe as possible or any leakage would get NATO involved. The only shells/rockets will be coming from the Ukrainian side. The USA have too many business interests there so will just prolong the war for many years instead of trying to find a peaceful solution.

A mole ??!!! What are you MI6 lol .

Just to note truth is always somewhere inbetween !
 

albion

Guru
An important part of this 'war' is Russia attempt to recruit new soldiers.
You have to be very patriotic to sign up on this one so if there is near zero signed then something has to give.
 
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Deleted member 49

Guest
Russia won’t lose,and more than likely won't win...whatever either means. US/Vietnam,Russia/Afghanistan, US,NATO/Afghanistan,US,NATO/Iraq.
Another stalemate with huge loss of lives on both sides.
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
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An important part of this 'war' is Russia attempt to recruit new soldiers.
You have to be very patriotic to sign up on this one so if there is near zero signed then something has to give.

According to Google, they have approximately 250,000 'recruits' per year, via conscription, plus those who come willingly.
 

albion

Guru
It says 'Conscripts are generally prohibited from being deployed abroad' but as we know, mums of their teenage sons were outraged at them being sent yo their deaths.

Unless they have changed the rules.
 
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