Who Cares...??

[ebikeerwidnes]

Hate to say it .
But when you start to look, there is a bit of a pattern that emerges..

War, violence, exploitation, sex crimes, disrespect, overinflated egos ...

#notallmen of course

At time I feel I am in a minority

I just sort of hope that the men who don;t hit their wife because dinner is 5 minutes late and don;t grope random women or lust after young girls - just get all the publicity and the actual majority are just less 'interesting'

I have been called a hopeless optimist at times

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Oh - totally off topic

but some time ago I read that Craigslist had become a centre for men advertising rooms for rent at zero cost inreturn for

well - work it out
things like "we will have to share a bed" and all that

anyway - I have a new hobby when I am bored
I go on Craigslist and look for these posts and flag them
to be fair to Craigslist the posts to seem to go away
and the number has reduced a lot over the last year

I also sometimes look at Facebook tye things for similar

something to do when you are bored

Operation "screw up a perverts plans" with little effort

 

[AuroraSaab]

I ran that last one through google translate... and it's Matt Hancock!

I'm guessing that's people hoping there's a sex tape of Hancock and his gf. Can't imagine there's much of a thrill to be had watching the original cctv.

Oh - totally off topic

but some time ago I read that Craigslist had become a centre for men advertising rooms for rent at zero cost inreturn for

well - work it out
things like "we will have to share a bed" and all that

anyway - I have a new hobby when I am bored
I go on Craigslist and look for these posts and flag them
to be fair to Craigslist the posts to seem to go away
and the number has reduced a lot over the last year

I think they made offerering rooms for sex a criminal offence in the UK so hopefully it has reduced that opportunity.

It's not all men. Most men I know are mortified by this stuff. Unfortunately it's enough men for it to be a huge problem.

I had a spell of reporting items for sale on Etsy (it's a site where people sell stuff they've made). T shirts with misogynistic or porny slogans for example. Especially if they came in children's sizes. Sometimes Etsy would remove them, but to be honest there's was just too much stuff to keep it up.

 

[mudsticks]

In Dublin Airport where all the cafes, bars and biz lounges close before 1800hrs. WH Smith's sarnies only....

#travellingfirstworldproblems

#iwanttoridemybikeinirelandagainsoon

Oh - totally off topic

but some time ago I read that Craigslist had become a centre for men advertising rooms for rent at zero cost inreturn for

well - work it out
things like "we will have to share a bed" and all that

anyway - I have a new hobby when I am bored
I go on Craigslist and look for these posts and flag them
to be fair to Craigslist the posts to seem to go away
and the number has reduced a lot over the last year

I also sometimes look at Facebook tye things for similar

something to do when you are bored

Operation "screw up a perverts plans" with little effort

Well at least you make some kind of effort

A vast number of men seem to think that it's enough just to 'not to be that guy'

But still they joke about, ignore, excuse, or diminish the harm that their peers are doing.

As I see it, it's really a mens issue , not a 'womens' one..
More men need to make a lot more effort to bring about change.
They just need to care enough.

We're not the ones harming ourselves or each other..
Or rarely that anyhow.

I know lots of decent men, from all walks of life, and of all ages
Which goes to show it's perfectly possible to be that guy, to act decently, be a good role model.

 

[qigong chimp]

I'm guessing that's people hoping there's a sex tape of Hancock and his gf. Can't imagine there's much of a thrill to be had watching the original cctv.

Do you read much fiction, Memsaab?
A sort of joke was intended: that Hancock's re-brand as close-fitting-black-jumper wearing slave to love had rendered him irresistible to enough gay men from the desert kingdoms to make him the seventh most popular global porn search and the hottest masturbation fodder in all of Araby.
It doesn't really translate as Matt Hancock.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Lol. My bad. Whoosh. Your joke went completely over my head. I neither read Arabic nor search on porn sites so I was simply bowing to what I assumed was your superior knowledge in both these matters.

 

[newfhouse]

It doesn’t say in the article but I’d be surprised if many of the 56 are women. At a rough estimate that means one in eight of the 430 male MPs have a claim against them. Is that comparable with any other workplace? Is it because so many are living away from their families, or some other factor?

What’s going on here?

 

[mudsticks]

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It doesn’t say in the article but I’d be surprised if many of the 56 are women. At a rough estimate that means one in eight of the 430 male MPs have a claim against them. Is that comparable with any other workplace? Is it because so many are living away from their families, or some other factor?

What’s going on here?

It rarely does 'say' explicitly that they're men though.

Does it?

Funny how, so often, that particular 'elephant' is coyly skirted around linguistically.
A bit of an intentional blind spot perhaps?


Whereas nearly all the positive 'active' roles ..
Are default assumed to be men, exclude women unless a point is made....

You know firemen, doctors, scientists, archbishop's, farmers ( who must of course be in want of a wife) , sportsmen, businessmen etc etc.


They all trip off the tongue, and are 'owned' to the point that people get all cross and gammony if you suggest theres a need to change, to encourage equality.



Criminality however, in particular sex crimes, a role in which the male of the species has historically surpassed himself in pro-activity ??

Oh no that's resolutely gender neutral..

Even if the gender of perpetrators is massively skewed, in one direction..

Powerful stuff, language , isn't it??

But what's going on here, in terms of MPs being unable to 'behave' - another sweet euphemism.

I think the idea of it being because they're away from home is a pretty lame one,..

Although. If that were the cause then we're back to (men) needing chaperones, and curfews.

Its probs just the same old, same old 'entitled' maledom.

Got a bit too big for their boots, egos inflated by being given 'power' and the they don't choose to exercise it honourably.

Think they're 'gods gift' and that their 'underlings' should in some way be flattered by this inappropriate attention ...

It's a common enough theme across many walks of life

#metoo barely scratched the surface, but it was a start, I s'pose .. .

 

[newfhouse]

think the idea of it being because they're away from home is a pretty lame one,..

Well it was just a suggestion. It’s no excuse - obviously - but I can see how it grants opportunities that might not otherwise exist. I do think there may be something in your point about a sense of entitlement too.

It's a common enough theme across many walks of life

It is, but one in eight with at least one formal complaint against them feels like a particularly toxic environment.

 

[AuroraSaab]

It doesn’t say in the article but I’d be surprised if many of the 56 are women.

What makes you say that? I'm not downplaying sexual assaults on men - it's massively under reported - but statistically it seems more likely to be mostly women, given that Parliament is a male dominated place and women are more likely to be victims of sexual assault than men.

As to why it seems a high number, I would think there are a number of factors. Individuals finding themselves in a position of power over others, many of whom will be younger people, male or female, in subordinate jobs, might be a factor. Being away from families does provide opportunities of course, and a general 'boys will be boys' culture probably adds to that. So, yes, entitlement, power, opportunity, and a feeling of being untouchable because of your position; not a good combination when found in certain individuals who might be inclined to these sort of things but never had chance previously.

The 2 SNP MP's mentioned were both in connection with behaviour towards younger males in more junior roles in the party, so it seems like being in a position of power and taking advantage of that definitely comes in to it.

 

[newfhouse]

What makes you say that?

Fifty-six is the number of MPs that have had complaints made against them, not the number of alleged victims. It is my expectation that most or all of the alleged perpetrators will be men rather than women. I think we agree so I’m not sure what you are asking me.

 

[mudsticks]

Well it was just a suggestion. It’s no excuse - obviously - but I can see how it grants opportunities that might not otherwise exist. I do think there may be something in your point about a sense of entitlement too.


It is, but one in eight with at least one formal complaint against them feels like a particularly toxic environment.

Well we've heard previously what a toxic environment many do find it..

Not just subordinate staff, but many female MPs too.
Some who have said they won't be standing again for that very reason

The toxic old boys school club, all chums together, and closing rank against anyone calling for change..

Must be very wearying to work in, having to navigate all that, besides just trying to do your job.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Apologies. I misread the numbers and thus your post. I agree, the alleged perpetrators are likely to be exclusively male. I'm struggling to think of any female politician who has been accused of any sexual misbehaviour at all, that I can recall in my lifetime anyway. There will be some somewhere but none spring to mind.

It's good that people feel more able to come forward though. I remember reading about the Jeremy Thorp trial as a child, and even then being surprised he was found not guilty. It's good that status doesn't confer as much protection as it once did (though it still provides a fair bit ...).

 

[newfhouse]

Good to see that after the Angela Rayner story backfired the Tories are against misogyny now sticking to their brand values.


View: https://twitter.com/laboursj/status/1518632696225878021?s=21&t=4YOlSuOIa4TELCa0Ph-Veg

 

[mudsticks]

Good to see that after the Angela Rayner story backfired the Tories are against misogyny now sticking to their brand values.


View: https://twitter.com/laboursj/status/1518632696225878021?s=21&t=4YOlSuOIa4TELCa0Ph-Veg

Yup all this mealy mouthed

"We must stamp out misogyny and sexism"

From MPs who've been performing, speaking, and excusing it, since the beginning of forever..

All of a sudden bothered about it now.??

What changed?? After all it's been brought to your attention multiple times,

But oh no, you've just dismissed it as 'wimmin whining'

And anyway look at her with her long blonde hair, how's anyone supposed to take her seriously.??

She'll be flicking it out of her eyes in an 'alluring' manner next.
And I'll bet you anything, that.she's got legs hidden away behind that dispatch box..you mark my words.

Two of them even - all ready to deploy to make up for her lack of political heft ...