Can the (Met) police ever change?

[spen666]

This one makes no sense - as yet.

We are told a man, presumably the polis, was arrested after a member of the public saw a woman in distress.

Then, bang, he's charged with six rapes and other offences.

There's no way charges for six rapes could have been whipped up in 48 hours, he must have been under investigation for weeks, if not months - victims rightly complain the process takes too long.

[/quote] Totally disagree here. If the woman here spoke to the police for the first time after his arrest, it is perfectly possible that the investigation was done in this time period.

We have serious allegations against a person who is also alleged to have breached a non molestation order.
It is therefore natural that the police would not want to release this man on bail as he has shown he will not obey bail conditions by his ignoring the non molestation order.
In the circumstances, a charging decision is not made on the full code test. This sort of investigation and charging decision happens regularly where it is not appropriate to release the accused on bail

It beggars belief even the Met would let a copper under suspicion of multiple rapes continue working as a polis, even though the story suggest he's only just been suspended.

A non-molestation order is usually made as an adjunct to a criminal conviction.

No, a non molestation order is a civil remedy. It is the equivalent of the old county court injunction. There is a similar type of order as an adjunct to a criminal conviction. It is not a non molestation order.

Think you are confusing terminology here

Even if this one wasn't. it also beggars belief the Met didn't know about it a good while before he was charged with breaching it, unless he breached it on the way home from the magistrates' court minutes after it was imposed.

A non molestation order is not ordinarily made by a magistrates court. Unless sitting in its family court function. A non molestation order is a civil order not a criminal one.

Also, if it is not reported to the police , then how are they to know about it?

I'm not inclined to bellow at the Met on this occasion - I suspect if we knew the full picture the investigation/arrest/charge sequence would make sense.

It's all a bit bonkers at the moment.

 

[qigong chimp]

This forum is now in session.

All groan.

 

[Pale Rider]

There is no chance charges for six rapes could be sorted in such a short time, even if the threshold is tinkered with.

The interviews alone - complainant(s) and defendant would take weeks, not to mention forensics, if there are any.

Thus for charges to be made a day or two after an arrest means the case must have been some way down the line.

The non-molestation order also suggests previous police involvement, if not a domestic abuse/harassment type of conviction.

LOL

I don't think you grasp the difference between a copper who is raping lasses without being detected and copper who is under investigation for six rapes.

 

[Bromptonaut]

What do we know?

A woman was found in a state of distress. A man has been charged, per the BBC in short order, with six offences of rape.

Has he confessed and intends to plead guilty?

The facts will presumably become apparent at trial.

Non molestation orders, or orders with similar effect, can be made in 'civil' proceedings and without police involvement - unless/until they're breached.

 

[newfhouse]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ages-to-women-arrested-at-sarah-everard-vigil

 

[newfhouse]

As everyone knows, the police force was set up to protect capital int… I mean the people, and no police force does a better job of this than the Metropolitan Police. Therefore, what I’m about to reveal will likely shock and sadden you…

In a national scandal, the Metropolitan Police have paid substantial compensation to two women called Patsy Stevenson and Dania Al-Obeid, despite doing absolutely nothing wrong, as confirmed by the Metropolitan Police who investigated themselves and found they did absolutely nothing wrong.

I’ll be honest with you, if I was marking my homework, I’d give myself an A+ too. It’s only what I deserve…

All the police officers did was handcuff one of the women and slam the other facedown onto the ground at a candlelit vigil for another woman who was raped and murdered by a Metropolitan Police officer, then the police lied about the women, found them guilty of a crime without giving them the option of pleading not guilty and mounting a defence in court, fined them £200, gave them a criminal record without telling them, left them to find out from the media, and said their actions were justified because the socially-distanced, candle-lit vigil broke lockdown rules in a much more egregious manner than Boris Johnson’s drunken karaokes that took place in front of Met Police officers in Downing Street.

Only a judge found the candle-lit vigil didn’t break lockdown rules. Oops…

As you can see, the Met’s unlawful behaviour was totally appropriate and it’s outrageous the police are being held accountable for their brutality. This is not how it’s supposed to work. Honestly, mobile phone cameras are the worst thing to ever happen to our justice system.

The Met explained they “tried to achieve a balance that recognised the rights of the public to protest and to express their grief and sadness, while also continuing to enforce the relevant Covid legislation”.

That “balance” involved not allowing the public to protest or grieve, and rugby-tackling five-foot-tall Patsy and pinning her down with her hands behind her back in a “proportionate manner”. That tiny woman could strike fear into the heart of any police enforcer and those huge men could not have been more courageous.

The Met have since released the least sincere apology, at one point emphasising: "At least we did not illegally strip search them,” because they prefer to reserve that treatment for underage girls. Yes, the Met have been caught illegally strip searching underage girls, and boys, and adults, and even mocking and ridiculing their bodies.

They strip-searched one girl “child Q” after falsely accusing her of possessing cannabis at school and they failed to follow the proper guidelines or obtain authorisation from a supervisor. They stripped that girl because they could.

I’m pretty sure this behaviour is called “paedophilia” when ordinary people do it, but when the police do it, it’s called: “We are very sorry and lessons will be learned”. Imagine if we let all paedos use this defence…

Now I’m the most pro-police person ever and I’ve got to admit, even I’m feeling rather uneasy about the Met now. These bastards have got me listening to a song called “fark the Police” by some obscure rap band called NWA. I could actually get into this hiphop stuff, it’s quite catchy!

The Met Police rubbed salt in the wound by adding: “We are working every day to make London a city where women and girls can feel and be safe.”

The question on every woman’s lips is: “Who am I supposed to call when I am in danger from the police?” Perhaps we need a new police force to police the police and we can let them endlessly harass and assault each other and leave the public out of it. Or perhaps Patsy Stevenson was right when she called for the Met to be abolished.

Even the Met Police commissioner Sir Mark Rowley has admitted hundreds of serving officers should be sacked. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but those leftie protesters have pretty much won me over and I’m glad those women were compensated. Even the most determined propagandist can only defend the indefensible for so long…

Patsy and Dania might not be the only peaceful protesters getting compensation from the Met because members of Republic are suing after they were pre-emptively arrested in case they committed a crime at the coronation of that bloke called Charles (the one who inherited magic blood from his mother and wore an expensive fancy dress costume while he flaunted jewels that his family stole from other countries).

In a rare moment of self-restraint, the police did not slam the members of Republic to the ground, batter the shoot out of them or take their clothes off, but they did insist they were "suspected, on reasonable grounds, of committing an offence". They really don’t learn, do they?

Even I know pre-crime is not a thing and you’ve got to come up with a better excuse when you want to arrest an innocent member of the public because you don’t like their politics. Whatever happened to planting drugs on people and pretending they’re dealers like the good ol’ days, eh? x


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[theclaud]

The Met are still 'unable' to identify the officer who struck Alfie Meadows.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...yout-to-alfie-meadows-hit-by-baton-at-protest

 

[multitool]

The Met are still 'unable' to identify the officer who struck Alfie Meadows.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...yout-to-alfie-meadows-hit-by-baton-at-protest

That's unfortunate or fortunate.

 

[mudsticks]

The Met are still 'unable' to identify the officer who struck Alfie Meadows.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...yout-to-alfie-meadows-hit-by-baton-at-protest

For which read, whoever did it won't fess up, and no one dare 'break ranks' and point the finger.

If it's the kind of thing that PO's can do to a persons head 'without realising' then we really need to be worried.


Yes, yes , I know we're wayyy beyond 'worried" already

 

[Ian H]

The fact that they can close ranks and just get away with it is more than a little disturbing.

 

[AndyRM]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66820978

May as well put this here.

 

[Bazzer]

I don't know how these figures compare to other professions, but to me having 1 in 34 staff suspended or on restricted duties and 1 in 3 staff on an elite unit "cleared out", is shocking. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66842521

 

[BoldonLad]

I don't know how these figures compare to other professions, but to me having 1 in 34 staff suspended or on restricted duties and 1 in 3 staff on an elite unit "cleared out", is shocking. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66842521

Shocking indeed!

I suppose, if wishing to be optimistic, we could think it is a "hump" produced by them getting their act together and beginning to clear out the "bad apples"?

Maybe, maybe not

 

[mudsticks]

The fact that they can close ranks and just get away with it is more than a little disturbing.

Closing ranks and protecting 'their own' just seems to be part of the 'culture'.

We've heard same story repeatedly from women in the police service.
And plenty of other places too.

 

[mudsticks]

Shocking indeed!

I suppose, if wishing to be optimistic, we could think it is a "hump" produced by them getting their act together and beginning to clear out the "bad apples"?

Maybe, maybe not

I am currently deep into apple harvest right now

I suspect I spend a lot longer* selecting the good apples that are keepers and which wont taint the rest of the storage boxes, than the Met does with their recruitment.

*As in actually doing some scrutiny.

However this 'bad apples' thing is a wayy overdone trope imo

It's the overall 'culture' (rot spreads via mycelium) that's the problem.