Can the (Met) police ever change?

[newfhouse]

It appears that possibly their former colleagues, as well as members of the public, feel they’ve been hard done by and a fundraiser has accumulated £149,000 so far for the sacked pair.

Nothing surprises me. There are too many that think they should be exempt from the rules.

The tribunal took the view that the two officers had lied about smelling cannabis, which tis in with none being found in the car or discarded along the road.

 

[Ian H]

Nothing surprises me. There are too many that think they should be exempt from the rules.

The tribunal took the view that the two officers had lied about smelling cannabis, which tis in with none being found in the car or discarded along the road.

And now there's a fund-raising page for the dismissed ossifers, with donations from serving police, and also reports that serving black officers are being pressurised to contribute.
Since the hearing, a crowdfunding page, set up by a person named only as "UK", has seen 8,339 supporters raise significantly more than the target of £50,000.
Comments on the site describe their dismissal as "scandalous appeasement and scapegoating" and "an utter disgrace".

 

[newfhouse]

He’ll be fine; his colleagues will set up a crowd funder for him.

https://www.itv.com/news/london/202...met-police-officer-guilty-of-gross-misconduct

 

[Ian H]

Another one, featuring a stellar cast of criminals:-
"Senior Stephen Lawrence officer Ray Adams was corrupt, says secret Met report"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67372493

 

[newfhouse]

‘When Misconduct Means Nothing: Kristina O’Connor and the Met Police’​

Gross misconduct still leads to minimal consequences – leaving officers who abuse with their rank and pension intact, writes Jamie Klingler
Jamie Klingler
21 November 2023

If you have the desire to abuse women and are a white man is there a better job out there than becoming a Metropolitan Police officer?

Over the weekend, we learned that Kristina O’Connor will not be able to bring a judicial review against the Met after it failed to fire her abuser – then detective sergeant James Mason.

Mason sexually harassed O’Connor, in messages, after she was mugged in Camden. A disciplinary panel found him guilty of eight counts of gross misconduct.

O’Connor argued that the Met failed to properly investigate, after he was given a final warning but not dismissed. The High Court ruled against her bid for a judicial review as it found sufficient steps had been taken during the disciplinary process.

Why does it seem almost impossible to get fired from the Met Police for misconduct?

Nine in 10 officers found guilty of gross misconduct keep their jobs, while sexual misconduct cases are more likely to be dropped than theft or corruption.

Officers have unlimited access to women at their most vulnerable. Whistleblowing procedures aren’t routinely followed. The correlation between domestic violence and policing is often referenced but rarely is it said that some officers become officers specifically so that they can scare women into doing whatever they say.

Police officers that want to hurt women know that the rape conviction rate for civilians is 1.7%, let alone someone holding a warrant card.

The victims of David Carrick – a serving Met Police officer who was a serial rapist, jailed for life earlier this year – all told the same story, of him saying: I am a police officer and no one will believe you. He was right. And he would have continued if his brave victims hadn’t been relentless in wanting to stop other women from suffering in the way they did.

One of his victims went in to report him while Wayne Couzens— who was in Carrick’s unit – was awaiting sentencing for the murder of Sarah Everard. Their report was not escalated. Carrick wasn’t suspended. None of the officers that discounted his victims were ever held accountable.

This is the institutional misogyny that puts women in danger.

It is true that not all, or even most, police officers want to hurt women. But, if a man craves the validation of power that a warrant card holds and knows that most women won’t bother reporting, it is a perfect situation for an exploitative predator to flourish.

All of this was exposed in the horrific Casey Review into the behaviour and internal culture in the Met.

By not recognising and removing serial predators, they are putting us in danger. In which other job can you get found guilty of eight counts of gross misconduct and keep your position and pension?

Kristina O’Connor only found out about other victims at the end of her hearing. How is that not crucial evidence? Why is James Mason considered more important than her?

We need to be able to name our attackers, to protect other women, and stop the patterns of abuse. I stand in solidarity with Kristina O’Connor and all the victims she represents – whose assailants are still abusing women hiding behind a warrant card.

Thank you for your service Kristina, it matters.
Jamie Klingler is the co-founder of #reclaimthesestreets

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/11/21/...-nothing-kristina-oconnor-and-the-met-police/

 

[AuroraSaab]

The head of the Met has himself complained that it's too difficult to get rid of underperforming or unsuitable officers. It's a 6 stage process that takes over a year. It's a bureaucratic process dependent on adhering to procedures and technicalities, which will be why an abuser like James Mason kept his job. It's right that anyone facing dismissal should have a fair review but the system in the police needs an overhaul.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-sack-failing-officers-urges-met-police-chief

 

[AuroraSaab]

Another awful case. The second victim seems to relate to rape offences that took place when Mitchell was in his mid to late teens, before he joined the Met. Obviously managed to get through the vetting process. Is it feasible (time, costs, and so on) to introduce psychological assessments for new police officers? Vetting isn't weeding them out, or stopping some slipping through anyway.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...kidnap-wandworth-croydon-london-b1140655.html

 

[Deleted member 121]

Another awful case. The second victim seems to relate to rape offences that took place when Mitchell was in his mid to late teens, before he joined the Met. Obviously managed to get through the vetting process. Is it feasible (time, costs, and so on) to introduce psychological assessments for new police officers? Vetting isn't weeding them out, or stopping some slipping through anyway.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...kidnap-wandworth-croydon-london-b1140655.html

"Mitchell, of Putney, Wandsworth, was found guilty of 10 counts of rape, three of rape of a child under 13, one count of kidnap and breach of a non-molestation order following a trial."

I think this raises many questions. Sadly, unlikely to ever get answers which is becoming the accepted norm IMO...

 

[albion]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...obile-phone-driver-dave-clifton-b1141159.html


The crime here is police members who are a waste of space. Is there really any point in having certain employees?

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Another new accusation of police rape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68400417

A serving Metropolitan Police officer has been charged with raping a woman.​

​

Jake Cummings, 23, from Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, is also accused of two counts of stalking and two counts of controlling and coercive behaviour. ​

The charges are related to incidents allegedly involving one woman that occurred in locations in Hertfordshire.​

Mr Cummings was suspended from duties with an immediate effect, pending an internal investigation.​

The officer appeared at Hatfield Magistrates' Court on Friday and has been remanded to appear at St Albans Crown Court on Tuesday.​

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Is it feasible (time, costs, and so on) to introduce psychological assessments for new police officers? Vetting isn't weeding them out, or stopping some slipping through anyway.

That is not standard practice already?

 

[Beebo]

Police are in trouble again. Shocking video of them deliberately running over a small calf in London.

I think someone is going to get in to trouble.
Suggestions that there may be a private prosecution against the officers.


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/B442NWWIWYY?si=ORXrNoiIONl-wyNf

 

[fozy tornip]

Please no "Surrey non-electric cow incident" thread for tool to appropriate with stories of personal heroism.

 

[qigong chimp]

That's a cheap shot, as anyone who's had to endure skag-dealing Belted Galloways in the cul-de-sac behind will surely attest.

 

[multitool]

Please no "Surrey non-electric cow incident" thread for tool to appropriate with stories of personal heroism.

Still smarting, I see.

"I hunt alone", wasn't it?