BoldonLad
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As I recall, there was a similar degree of discontent, but, of course, just like now, only from those not elected.
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As I recall, there was a similar degree of discontent, but, of course, just like now, only from those not elected.
matticus
Guru
Dammit. One more seat is trivial ....
BUT it's an excuse for media to give them 100 times the coverage the Greens will get .
(At 4-each there was no excuse.)
Damn you Essex!
multitool
Guest
Farage is a media creation.
And the thing about Farage is that it is all about Farage, rather than purely the ideas, because when everything and everyone else has dropped by the wayside, including the now discredited ideas, Farage is still here, able to reinvent himself.
He is phenomenally good at it.
And the thing about Farage is that it is all about Farage, rather than purely the ideas, because when everything and everyone else has dropped by the wayside, including the now discredited ideas, Farage is still here, able to reinvent himself.
He is phenomenally good at it.
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cookiemonster
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Co-operation instead of confrontation is what the UK really needs.
But that's not macho enough for our politicians.
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multitool
Guest
Our system is adversarial. It's baked in.
cookiemonster
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And that’s the problem.
It’s not fit for purpose now as people are fed up with the confrontation.
Ian Dunt in his excellent book ‘How Westminster Works and Why It Doesn’t’ explains the history of this (the way the HOC is set up is one example he mentions) and why that’s now causing serious problems.
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multitool
Guest
PMQs is a waste of time. I'm not sure that any Commons debates aren't also. The committees are pretty decent though.
I think you are, in essence, right.
multitool
Guest
I know it's Pickles and he looks like a Vogon, but he's probably right:
View: https://x.com/EricPickles/status/1809295591152971954
View: https://x.com/EricPickles/status/1809295591152971954
Ian H
Legendary Member
I suspect there were a large number of tactical and protest votes - someone was quoted as saying they voted Reform but wouldn't have done so if they thought they'd win. Many of the LibDem votes were simply to remove the Tories, or more simply, for a Labour win. In short, I think it's wrong to assume we know voters' intentions.
cookiemonster
Veteran
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Ian Dunt, in the book I mentioned, calls the HOC the most undemocratic democratic chamber in the world. He adds that it’s not designed for debate.
I can’t remember the last time I watched PMQs. May’ve been in Blair’s time.
spen666
Well-Known Member
There wad a lot of concern raised then as Theresa's after every election.
In fact so much concern was raised that in 2011 a referendum was held & the majority of those who voted wanted to retain the current system.
That is called democracy.
To refuse to accept the wishes of the majority who voted is undemocratic
Sadly, we have lots of people in society now who seem unable to grasp that democracy is about going with the wishes of the majority who vote, rather than getting your own way despite the majority disagreeing with you
All uphill
Active Member
I'm an optimist.
I believe its our system that leads to our politicians; change the system and we will get different behaviours.
All uphill
Active Member
A referendum on PR in 2011?
icowden
Legendary Member
Agreed. Also, worth clicking on that just to see this response from Sir Michael Take
View: https://x.com/MichaelTakeMP/status/1809313026585059588
