Laurence Fox vs Mukhtar

[Ian H]

There's definitely a venn diagram just waiting to be sketched..

Maybe Andy with his exemplary drawing skills in this area could oblige .?? 🌈

Just circles, please.

 

[mudsticks]

Just circles, please.

Tell you what Ian..Why don't you get your compasses out on the behalf of fidelity relativity..?? 👍🏼🌈

 

[Ian H]

Tell you what Ian..Why don't you get your compasses out on the behalf of fidelity relativity..?? 👍🏼🌈

I always draw freehand.

 

[mudsticks]

I always draw freehand.

Yikes if you guys put half as much effort into finding pencil and paper and getting on with the job, as you do making up feeble excuses we could have had an infographic up and educating, over an hour ago 🙄

 

[Ian H]

 

[mudsticks]

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🟣 people even 💜🌈

 

[Unkraut]

'Subsection' = someone's opinion or convoluted interpretation.

You do know that adultery is not gay sex right?

Then I shall elucidate! The apostle Paul in correspondence with a leader of the church in Ephesus discusses the mosaic law and its purpose namely the standard showing where wickedness i.e. unloving behaviour begins. He clearly has the 10 commandments in view as a summary of the law:

... that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, ... Revised Standard Version, being the version the erroneous film is concerned with.

Ungodly and sinners: You shall have no other gods before me
Unholy and profane: You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain
Murderers of fathers and mothers: Honour your father and your mother together with
Manslayers: You shall not kill
Immoral persons, sodomites: You shall not commit adultery
Kidnappers: You shall not steal. The word translated kidnappers means to steal a man with a view to selling him into slavery. Could also be rendered enslavers. Such a prohibition was sedition in the Roman empire which is the cultural setting for this.
Liars, perjurers: You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour

This is a fairly standard understanding of the text (the commandments are in the right order) and demonstates particular examples of them when being broken. Hence sodomites, in the ESV revision of the RSV translated men who practice homosexuality, is a subsection of or particular example of breaking the command against adultery, which is unloving and immoral behaviour in the worldview of the NT.

The 10 commandments could be summed up in one word: respect. Respect for God, respect for your neighbour - his life, his possessions, his or your own family.

 

[AndyRM]

What if a fella's wife fancies a bit of back door action? I've often wondered about that.

 

[AndyRM]

I can't beat @Ian H's excellent Venn diagram, but here's my shirt echoing the same sentiment. There's an ovoid and wibbly bits so I believe the brief set by @mudsticks has been fulfilled, after a fashion:

 

[mudsticks]

I can't beat @Ian H's excellent Venn diagram, but here's my shirt echoing the same sentiment. There's an ovoid and wibbly bits so I believe the brief set by @mudsticks has been fulfilled, after a fashion:

Love(ly)🌈

Then I shall elucidate! The apostle Paul in correspondence with a leader of the church in Ephesus discusses the mosaic law and its purpose namely the standard showing where wickedness i.e. unloving behaviour begins. He clearly has the 10 commandments in view as a summary of the law:

... that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, ... Revised Standard Version, being the version the erroneous film is concerned with.

Ungodly and sinners: You shall have no other gods before me
Unholy and profane: You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain
Murderers of fathers and mothers: Honour your father and your mother together with
Manslayers: You shall not kill
Immoral persons, sodomites: You shall not commit adultery
Kidnappers: You shall not steal. The word translated kidnappers means to steal a man with a view to selling him into slavery. Could also be rendered enslavers. Such a prohibition was sedition in the Roman empire which is the cultural setting for this.
Liars, perjurers: You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour

This is a fairly standard understanding of the text (the commandments are in the right order) and demonstates particular examples of them when being broken. Hence sodomites, in the ESV revision of the RSV translated men who practice homosexuality, is a subsection of or particular example of breaking the command against adultery, which is unloving and immoral behaviour in the worldview of the NT.

The 10 commandments could be summed up in one word: respect. Respect for God, respect for your neighbour - his life, his possessions, his or your own family.

Imagine living your life by a set of arbitrary 'rules' written down in a time when barely any of the modern science had even been thought about, and when for example people genuinely believed there could be a thing such as a virgin birth..??

How does 'respecting your neighbours' who say happen to be in a happy committed same sex relationship, sit with all that then??

On the one hand cheerfully lending or borrowing some garden tools - if you're a 'good neighbour'


All the while under your breath, damning them to hellfire for their love for each other..

The mental gymnastics must be quite a headache.

I still chuckle now and then over Jim's (Yes, borrowed I know)

"Proof - if it were needed - that same sex attraction is not a choice but innate - The Existence of Heterosexual Women" 😅

This is apposite too.

 

[mudsticks]

What if a fella's wife fancies a bit of back door action? I've often wondered about that.

And what about the lezzers??

Or don't they count for some (being women) reason ??

 

[AndyRM]

And what about the lezzers??

Or don't they count for some (being women) reason ??

The mind boggles.

In an attempt to get things relatively chaste, what about pictures of Adam & Eve with belly buttons? Sacrilege, Shirely?

 

[Ian H]

Love(ly)🌈



Imagine living your life by a set of arbitrary 'rules' written down in a time when barely any of the modern science had even been thought about, and when for example people genuinely believed there could be a thing such as a virgin birth..??

How does 'respecting your neighbours' who say happen to be in a happy committed same sex relationship, sit with all that then??

On the one hand cheerfully lending or borrowing some garden tools - if you're a 'good neighbour'


All the while under your breath, damning them to hellfire for their love for each other..

The mental gymnastics must be quite a headache.

I still chuckle now and then over Jim's (Yes, borrowed I know)

"Proof - if it were needed - that same sex attraction is not a choice but innate - The Existence of Heterosexual Women" 😅

This is apposite too.

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Several historians have cautioned against anachronistic modern interpretations of ancient descriptions of homosexuality.

 

[newfhouse]

people genuinely believed there could be a thing such as a virgin birth

It does amuse me that many of these people are also keen to shout about biology trumping all else.

 

[mudsticks]

Several historians have cautioned against anachronistic modern interpretations of ancient descriptions of homosexuality.

I'm sure they have, but why let that get in the way of some modern day excuses for bigotry.?? I'm🤔

It does amuse me that many of these people are also keen to shout about biology trumping all else.

Well quite.