Starmer's vision quest

[Deleted member 49]

] At this point I'll lament the lost opportunity to call this thread "Starmer's vision thing". Goths will understand...

Sisters of Mercy 😂

 

[Deleted member 49]

I wasn't keen on their capitulation to the Tory smoke and mirrors pay deal a few years ago, nor McCluskey's attitude towards Brexit, not that I paid it too much heed. FCS represents my specialism now anyway.

I allways have been in a Trade Union,funny enough just been to a online meeting for the CWU who are balloting for a strike action over a pathetic pay deal for Royal Mail workers.
Love McCluskey although I was dissapointed with his book 🙄
Never been a more important time to be in a union !

 

[winjim]

I allways have been in a Trade Union,funny enough just been to a online meeting for the CWU who are balloting for a strike action over a pathetic pay deal for Royal Mail workers.
Love McCluskey although I was dissapointed with his book 🙄
Never been a more important time to be in a union !

I'm fully on board with the idea of being in a trade union, just hopefully one which actually represents its members' interests and doesn't get bamboozled by the most elementary Tory trickery.


FCS has a no strike policy though.

 

[Deleted member 49]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-elon-musk-twitter?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

And...had not realised this connection....

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ns-to-sink-starmer?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Damn ! I thought it might of been a Corbyn supporter 🙄

 

[winjim]

Damn ! I thought it might of been a Corbyn supporter 🙄

'Tory sources'


View: https://twitter.com/ringwodian/status/1523002267921747969?t=xioFRbr3Tew7qtPvxVog6w&s=19

 

[Fab Foodie]

Forgot to say - good to see you over here in the new ghetto, @Wobblers.

Hear hear!

 

[Fab Foodie]

Never been a more important time to be in a union !

True...but why do they seem so invisible?
Why are we not hearing more from them?

 

[theclaud]

True...but why do they seem so invisible?
Why are we not hearing more from them?

Srsly? Have you seen how unions are portrayed in the media? I hate to break this to you, Fabbers, but the press is owned by a handful of billionaires and the BBC still hammers on scaremongering about 'misery for commuters' and mythologising about the 'winter of discontent' every time a handful of workers do something to protect or improve their pay and conditions.

 

[Deleted member 28]

I allways have been in a Trade Union,funny enough just been to a online meeting for the CWU who are balloting for a strike action over a pathetic pay deal for Royal Mail.
Never been a more important time to be in a union !

Snap!

Think the membership will vote for action?

I'm in the same boat but not Royal Mail.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Snap!

Think the membership will vote for action?

I'm in the same boat but not Royal Mail.

Without doubt I'd hope....personally speaking there wasn't one person where I work who would take their offer.I think the shareholders are actually using the current "cost of living crisis' thinking people can't afford to strike maybe ?
Without boring you with the details of the offer it really is a fecking joke !

 

[Deleted member 49]

True...but why do they seem so invisible?
Why are we not hearing more from them?

Claud beat me to it....but you can't seriously think that can you ? The work they do is invaluable,there's no doubt a unionised workforce is better paid,better conditions etc.
Reminds me of the ones that choose not to join but still want the benefits of what they negotiate 🙄
There's a reason that there's so many zero hours,shoot wage jobs out there....

 

[theclaud]

I forgot to mention her upthread, but here's a reminder that Thornberry remains a class act.


View: https://twitter.com/BBCLondonNews/status/1523246292872273921?t=U4qNYPPTphrQg53WI2QQZw&s=19

 

[mudsticks]

Srsly? Have you seen how unions are portrayed in the media? I hate to break this to you, Fabbers, but the press is owned by a handful of billionaires and the BBC still hammers on scaremongering about 'misery for commuters' and mythologising about the 'winter of discontent' every time a handful of workers do something to protect or improve their pay and conditions.

Yup they're still doing it.

I'm a union representative, and activist for better conditions and pay for workers particularly in agroecological farming.

We also campaign on food justice, land justice, and improving environmental standards in agriculture and food.

We ally ourselves with the wider world of food and ancillary food workers, the majority of whom are also low paid, and insecurely employed.

Such as supporting McDonalds workers..
Strange bedfellows you might think, but the low paid, poor quality promoting food system is oppressing them too.


We've had varying degrees of success in achieving this, but we've had some.

We've had to work with departments, and ministers of the present government, as they're the ones who hold the legislative power .

Trad labour (as in party) weren't really very interested in food and farming as it's seen as a 'country' issue, and traditionally 'conservative'

They rather simplistically had the view that 'cheap food' was a universal public good, without looking at the wider consequences of that 'undervalued' food, and the downward spiral it causes..

That trad left attitude is changing (a bit) now, and of course we're very popular with the Greens.

Brexit, has been, and will continue to be a very big challenge to food security, landbased businesses and incomes, environment, and research and education opportunities with other countries.


Have to say I'm finding it a tiny bit hilarious that one of our staunch Tory (and brexiteers) is hoping his union -
-those organisations pretty much universally loathed and suppressed by capitalist promoting Tories -
- is still expecting his union will help with wage negotiations..

To use a farming analogy.

You reap* what you sow..

* depending on weather, pests disease etc..

 

[Fab Foodie]

Srsly? Have you seen how unions are portrayed in the media? I hate to break this to you, Fabbers, but the press is owned by a handful of billionaires and the BBC still hammers on scaremongering about 'misery for commuters' and mythologising about the 'winter of discontent' every time a handful of workers do something to protect or improve their pay and conditions.

Srsly? Am fully aware of the media biases and ownership etc. is that the only/real reason that bemused of Deal asks the question? Even the guardian is complicit? I find that hard to believe.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Claud beat me to it....but you can't seriously think that can you ? The work they do is invaluable,there's no doubt a unionised workforce is better paid,better conditions etc.
Reminds me of the ones that choose not to join but still want the benefits of what they negotiate 🙄
There's a reason that there's so many zero hours,shoot wage jobs out there....

I don't doubt there's good work going on. Am in favour of Unions. But even taking what Claudine states into account, I don't believe that we (the average Joe) don't hear more about Unions standing-up and fighting the shoot going-on at a local and national level.
The P&O situation was very local, but don't recall hearing much Union fightbacks or actions. I may have my head in the clouds, but I try to keep my eyes and ears open.

Maybe they need a Comms strategy that works, I don't know....