Starmer's vision quest

[BoldonLad]

I was doing some research in the meantime. From the legend that is Malcolm MacDonald.
"But from 1971 to 1979, when I retired, I was paying 82.5pc tax, so even when I was on £500 a week with Arsenal I never took home more than £100."
Now think what lesser footballers were on.

How much was average wage in that period?

Clearly McDonalds on field skills did not extend to his finances.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Just been pointed out on the BBC to a Reform spokesperson that it’s easy to attack when you have no track record. Also brought up the fact that despite them saying they have the answer to everything, not a single policy has been made public.
In other words, voters have bought a whole lot of snake oil.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Just been pointed out on the BBC to a Reform spokesperson that it’s easy to attack when you have no track record. Also brought up the fact that despite them saying they have the answer to everything, not a single policy has been made public.
In other words, voters have bought a whole lot of snake oil.

Yeah but immigration…….

 

[TailWindHome]

Interesting dynamic in Scotland

Reform gains coming from Tory
Least worst result for Labour

 

[briantrumpet]

Not resorting to the usual Reform voters are thick trope, and Reform councils will be crap.

If we don't resort to the 'Reform voters are thick' trope, are we allowed to resort to saying some of the Reform candidates are thick?

 

[briantrumpet]

Seems like Starmer's piece in the Graun 'taking full responsibility' but offering no change is going down like cold sick in a chocolate teapot (hmm, not sure I've got that right). More of the same, but harder. Hmm, can't see that inspiring the electorate, somehow.

Sounds like a middle manager promoted way above his skillset trying to cling onto his job spouting vapid bollocks after the business has been put in receivership. That they can't think of another way to appeal to the have-nots other than xenophobia shows the paucity of their imagination.

 

[Pblakeney]

How much was average wage in that period?

Clearly McDonalds on field skills did not extend to his finances.

I selected him as an extreme top end example of a pro footballer, not the average.
Also, he ultimately made more money from investing in property than he did from football so, meh.

 

[Pblakeney]

Seems like Starmer's piece in the Graun 'taking full responsibility' but offering no change is going down like cold sick in a chocolate teapot (hmm, not sure I've got that right). More of the same, but harder. Hmm, can't see that inspiring the electorate, somehow.

Sounds like a middle manager promoted way above his skillset trying to cling onto his job spouting vapid bollocks after the business has been put in receivership. That they can't think of another way to appeal to the have-nots other than xenophobia shows the paucity of their imagination.

I get that Labour's performance has not been good, people are disappointed and are calling for change but...
I look at the table below and wonder two things. If Starmer has to go then does everyone else? If they do, would it make any positive difference?

 

[briantrumpet]

I get that Labour's performance has not been good, people are disappointed and are calling for change but...
I look at the table below and wonder two things. If Starmer has to go then does everyone else? If they do, would it make any positive difference?

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OK, so it's not the complete wipe-out predicted (and Reform's star is somewhat on the wane), but if he doesn't see the Greens' ascendancy as troubling and carries on fighting on Reform's terms whilst allowing Mahmood to continue to tell voters who'd like to vote for Labour to "Fuck right off", I can easily see the Greens completely wiping out Labour's advantage, all the while Mahmood's messaging assuring Reform voters that their xenophobia is justified. He seems to be deaf to any messages being sent by the left-of-centre, utterly taking them for granted.

 

[Shortfall]

I'm curious as to what those voters think local councillors are going to do about immigration?

Probably the same as they'll do about Palestine but it's obviously a big factor in the sudden surge of the Greens.

 

[Pblakeney]

Probably the same as they'll do about Palestine but it's obviously a big factor in the sudden surge of the Greens.

So a) nothing, and b) I think it' is not necessarily obvious. There are other reasons to vote Green. Lots of them.

 

[First Aspect]

As Rusty states, a large number of people use the local elections to send a message to Westminster.
They (and most on here) didn't want the Tories and still don't.
Labour got in, and they don't like Labour either now after all the U-turns and the botched efforts to achieve growth.

So what are the traditional parties going to do to regain the trust of the electorate?
That's the question and topic you should be discussing.
Not resorting to the usual Reform voters are thick trope, and Reform councils will be crap.

There was a perfect vox pop this morning from two Reform voters in Wales. Asked why he didn't vote Labour, one said, "Well, it was that they did to us in lockdown." Asked whether Reform would be better, he said, "I don't know. I thought I'd give them a try."

I think we can all agree that these are well thought out political views, from an intelligent and informed demographic.

 

[Shortfall]

So a) nothing, and b) I think it' is not necessarily obvious. There are other reasons to vote Green. Lots of them.

And do you think that the British Muslims who are voting Green are doing it mainly because of these other reasons?

 

[Pblakeney]

And do you think that the British Muslims who are voting Green are doing it mainly because of these other reasons?

a) I'd have to ask them. b) It won't make any difference.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

And do you think that the British Muslims who are voting Green are doing it mainly because of these other reasons?

Sounds like you need to get out and talk to few of these 'British Muslims'.