The UK’s broken asylum system

[stowie]

That's a fair point, I imagine a Labour government will alter the law accordingly when they get in.

I wouldn't bet on it. Labour weren't particularly progressive on Asylum process when they were last in power and they won't have it as a priority if they get in government this time.

To expand on the post from @Bromptonaut , a Spousal visa requires proof (ie passing an accredited course) in English. Application for the visa has to occur outside the country (unless the applicant already has certain UK visas already). They have to pay the visa charge and NHS charge which adds up to around £4.7k - if they have any children then each will cost an additional £4k or so. Plus the spouse has to prove that they can financially look after the applicant(s) so there are minimum income requirements and proof of that income. Finally they have to prove they are in a relationship which might be harder than it first seems if you are displaced from your home with few possessions and scattered family.

All of this needs to be fulfilled whilst the applicant is not in the UK. I imagine it is a massive hurdle for those looking to reunite with their family and coming from states with failed and hostile government.

If I put on a tin-foil hat for a moment, in my less generous moments, I wonder if the whole "small boats" and asylum crisis is somewhat manufactured by the current government to whip up some support in 2024. After all this government have very, very little to campaign on outside dog-whistle politics. The rate of asylum claims is not in line with the massive increases in decision backlog. Staffing levels have increased yet productivity has gone through the floor, indicating employees are far slower at making decisions.

Ultimately, asylum claims and arrivals on small boats is a small proportion of the total migration number for the UK. There are optons that could reduce the issue, but they involve co-operation with the EU that seems to be not on the agenda currently. For example, one option would be for the UK to agree to certain numbers of Asylum claims which would be made in France with France agreeing that any UK arrivals on small boats would be accepted back to France. This would not be popular with the press as I expect France would push hard on number of claimants agreed by the UK but ultimately it would slash the demand for small boat crossing and probably make the whole enterprise financially unworkable for the criminal gangs.

 

[newfhouse]

I read the google definition

Nice to see your rigorous approach to research continues unabated.

I would say the actions are "systematic" too.

How so? What’s the system?

cruel doesn't necessarily have to mean physical cruelty, belittling someone's educational attainment, or, IQ, for example, could be viewed as cruel, in my opinion

It could. How about if it’s part of an exchange with someone that has previously declared they are only here for a mutual pisstake?

Not everyone is education to degree level

I’m well aware of that.

nor do they necessarily live in the leafy suburbs of the so called Home Counties.

That too, but I’m not sure what that has to do with the alleged persecution.

 

[BoldonLad]

I wouldn't bet on it. Labour weren't particularly progressive on Asylum process when they were last in power and they won't have it as a priority if they get in government this time.

To expand on the post from @Bromptonaut , a Spousal visa requires proof (ie passing an accredited course) in English. Application for the visa has to occur outside the country (unless the applicant already has certain UK visas already). They have to pay the visa charge and NHS charge which adds up to around £4.7k - if they have any children then each will cost an additional £4k or so. Plus the spouse has to prove that they can financially look after the applicant(s) so there are minimum income requirements and proof of that income. Finally they have to prove they are in a relationship which might be harder than it first seems if you are displaced from your home with few possessions and scattered family.

All of this needs to be fulfilled whilst the applicant is not in the UK. I imagine it is a massive hurdle for those looking to reunite with their family and coming from states with failed and hostile government.

If I put on a tin-foil hat for a moment, in my less generous moments, I wonder if the whole "small boats" and asylum crisis is somewhat manufactured by the current government to whip up some support in 2024. After all this government have very, very little to campaign on outside dog-whistle politics. The rate of asylum claims is not in line with the massive increases in decision backlog. Staffing levels have increased yet productivity has gone through the floor, indicating employees are far slower at making decisions.

Ultimately, asylum claims and arrivals on small boats is a small proportion of the total migration number for the UK. There are optons that could reduce the issue, but they involve co-operation with the EU that seems to be not on the agenda currently. For example, one option would be for the UK to agree to certain numbers of Asylum claims which would be made in France with France agreeing that any UK arrivals on small boats would be accepted back to France. This would not be popular with the press as I expect France would push hard on number of claimants agreed by the UK but ultimately it would slash the demand for small boat crossing and probably make the whole enterprise financially unworkable for the criminal gangs.

The fine detail may have changed, but, those requirements were in place when my daughter-in-law arrived in UK, and, that was approximately 17 years ago, which, pre-dates this Government.

 

[BoldonLad]

Nice to see your rigorous approach to research continues unabated.


How so? What’s the system?


It could. How about if it’s part of an exchange with someone that has previously declared they are only here for a mutual pisstake?


I’m well aware of that.


That too, but I’m not sure what that has to do with the alleged persecution.

Yes, well, it is often difficult to see yourself as others see you

 

[Pale Rider]

Thats quite a range. Do you think we’re all of one mind?

You all follow the same, dreary, predictable line.

He's no more a victim then I am.

Agreed, but the mob I named still made a collective attempt at persecuting him.

The fact they are crap at it is neither here nor there.

 

[stowie]

The fine detail may have changed, but, those requirements were in place when my daughter-in-law arrived in UK, and, that was approximately 17 years ago, which, pre-dates this Government.

First spousal visa didn't used to require English test. ILR has had the requirement for quite a long time (>10 years) as had Citizenship.

Visa application costs have risen way above inflation as a specific policy of the government and the NHS surcharge is a recent addition.

The proof of income plus the proof of relationship has always been a requirement - one that got the Blair government caught in the ECHR courts for unfairly discriminating same sex relationships.

Previous governments have ramped up the requirements (Blair government especially). This government have ramped up the rhetoric and dog-whistle politics to a level I have never seen before.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Hey, I’m in a mob!

When do I get my standard issue pitchfork?

Ooh, actually, can I have a flaming torch instead?

 

[Pale Rider]

Hey, I’m in a mob!

When do I get my standard issue pitchfork?

Ooh, actually, can I have a flaming torch instead?

Making light of ganging up to a bully another member shows signs of desperation.

Bully the other member by all means, but at least have the guts to admit it.

Never trust a Scotsman.

 

[All uphill]

Making light of ganging up to a bully another member shows signs of desperation.

Bully the other member by all means, but at least have the guts to admit it.

Never trust a Scotsman.

I don't consider myself part of any group or gang, either here or in real life.

What I see going on here is some tedious nonsense between @multitool and you, and several people who disagree with you and are then treated to an unpleasant jibe by you (as above).

That's just my view.

If you genuinely feel bullied or persecuted I'd suggest doing something more rewarding in your spare time.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Making light of ganging up to a bully another member shows signs of desperation.

Bully the other member by all means, but at least have the guts to admit it.

Never trust a Scotsman.

I make up my own mind what I respond to and how I respond, PR. I don’t need to consult with anyone.

By the way, how’s your search for dishonesty and hypocrisy on my part coming along?

Or are you only good for what you repeatedly accuse others of?

 

[BoldonLad]

First spousal visa didn't used to require English test. ILR has had the requirement for quite a long time (>10 years) as had Citizenship.

Visa application costs have risen way above inflation as a specific policy of the government and the NHS surcharge is a recent addition.

The proof of income plus the proof of relationship has always been a requirement - one that got the Blair government caught in the ECHR courts for unfairly discriminating same sex relationships.

Previous governments have ramped up the requirements (Blair government especially). This government have ramped up the rhetoric and dog-whistle politics to a level I have never seen before.

Yes, D-I-L went for citizenship. We attended her “ceremony”. Underwhelming.

 

[BoldonLad]

Hey, I’m in a mob!

When do I get my standard issue pitchfork?

Ooh, actually, can I have a flaming torch instead?

A claymore for you, surely?

 

[Deleted member 28]

We are known as 'The Yewlotte Collective' remember 👍🏼

Yowlot.

Ignorant bint that you are, its 'yow'.

 

[Pale Rider]

By the way, how’s your search for dishonesty and hypocrisy on my part coming along?

It's all over the forum, you claim to be right on. a real woke leftie, but when it comes to getting stuck into a member with whom you disagree you are right in there jabbing with the rest of them.

The dishonesty is pretending otherwise.

My amendment to your signature - Never trust a Scotsman - is entirely accurate in this instance.

If you genuinely feel bullied or persecuted I'd suggest doing something more rewarding in your spare time.

I don't particularly, but it's obvious what happens on here.

Someone posts a view which doesn't agree with the forum orthodoxy and they find themselves under attack from several posters.

Heck, one or two of the posts might be reasoned arguments, but the majority are snotty personal jibes.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Yewlotte sounds much more in character with the 'perps'