The UK’s broken asylum system

[Pale Rider]

People are turning up because life in their home country leaves them subject to a real fear of persecution etc.

Worldwide issue. More displaced people, even before Ukraine then at end of WW2.

It's the way they're treated here and used as political capital by the Tory party that's the scandal.

A matter of opinion, but at least you are not supporting the ludicrous notion the government deliberately created the problem.

The engineered situation is deliberately neglecting the asylum processing system,

A bold assertion that you cannot stand up.

The problem is such remarks make you look stupid, which in turn means your other remarks, which might not be stupid, are summarily dismissed.

Tens of thousands of anonymous individuals have arrived on our shores in a very short time.

Unless the application process had literally hundreds of staff doing nothing, just waiting on standby, the process was bound to show signs of stress.

Hope that helps your understanding of why you are subject to ridicule.

 

[mudsticks]

A matter of opinion, but at least you are not supporting the ludicrous notion the government deliberately created the problem.



A bold assertion that you cannot stand up.

The problem is such remarks make you look stupid, which in turn means your other remarks, which might not be stupid, are summarily dismissed.

Tens of thousands of anonymous individuals have arrived on our shores in a very short time.

Unless the application process had literally hundreds of staff doing nothing, just waiting on standby, the process was bound to show signs of stress.

Hope that helps your understanding of why you are subject to ridicule.

Yes I knew you weren't interested.

Your sneering and belittling attitude, of misplaced superiority, in the face of anything or anyone that doesn't fit your worldview is not a new phenomena to any of us.

It's why you are so often deeply disliked on here, by people from all sorts of background.

The processing system has been run down over a number of years, it's not happened overnight.
We could have processed far more, and these people could have been contributing.
Whilst those who didn't qualify could have been returned - except brexit has made returning people much harder


But no our 'government' loves to have an 'enemy' to present to the hard of thinking -"Look! undeserving brown scroungers, coming to 'ruin' the country"

When it's the 'government' itself that is culpable for the damage and neglect itself.

But again, you're not interested, so I won't waste any more of my lunch break - or indeed life - on this particular correspondence.

 

[Pale Rider]

Yes I knew you weren't interested.

Your sneering and belittling attitude, of misplaced superiority, in the face of anything or anyone that doesn't fit your worldview is not a new phenomena to any of us.

It's why you are so often deeply disliked on here, by people from all sorts of background.

The processing system has been run down over a number of years, it's not happened overnight.
We could have processed far more, and these people could have been contributing.
Whilst those who didn't qualify could have been returned - except brexit has made returning people much harder


But no our 'government' loves to have an 'enemy' to present to the hard of thinking -"Look! undeserving brown scroungers, coming to 'ruin' the country"

When it's the 'government' itself that is culpable for the damage and neglect itself.

But again, you're not interested, so I won't waste any more of my lunch break - or indeed life - on this particular correspondence.

Typical, nasty personal attack.

And all because someone challenges what is clearly a ludicrous statement.

If being 'deeply disliked' is the price of not taking your Guardian reading woke leftie feminist claptrap seriously, I'll take it gladly.

 

[BoldonLad]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-page report,relatives or friends of migrants.

 

[Pale Rider]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-border-guards-killed-hundreds-ethiopian-migrants-hrw-says-2023-08-21/#:~:text=In a 73-page report,relatives or friends of migrants.

"Hello, is that Jonny Professional Footballer? Saudi here, fancy a job?"

"I'm on the next plane."

 

[Bromptonaut]

A matter of opinion, but at least you are not supporting the ludicrous notion the government deliberately created the problem.

The UK government's actions, with our Allies, in Afghanistan and Iraq are clearly part of the problem leading to their being huge numbers of DPs. I suspect we've had our fingers in other pies too but on a longer timeframe so less direct/immediate causation.

What the is, beyond dispute, the action of our current government is refusal of safe routes out of war zones or, subject to conditions, France/EU andclosure of others including the so called Dubs Amendment.

The failure to process applications for people creating the situation where the asylum seeker estate, already in a mess after Covid, is full leading to the need for Hotel Accom here is also deliberate. Braverman's junior, Jenrick, has spelled that out on TV/Radio. Along wait in suboptimal accommodation is explicitly to reduce the pull factor.

The only person making themself look foolish over that is government apologists. @mudsticks is bang on the money.

As I've said before , if the government put its back into reducing claims, particularly from those with slam dunk title to Refugee Status (Afghans etc) then the hotel bill could be halved in months.

The Bibby Barge is obvious performative stuff; it holds less than a day's arrivals.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Yes I knew you weren't interested.

He certainly isn’t interested in hearing the facts.

He knows why there’s a backlog, as I’ve explained to him previously with, for example, verifiable statistics as outlined below…

The system is creaking it’s because it’s being mismanaged.

There was an increase in the number of caseworkers from 2011/12 to 2021/22 but, bizarrely, decision making rates decreased in that period.

In December 2022, there were 1,237 caseworkers who made an average of 4 asylum decisions per month each, compared to 380 caseworkers with a productivity rate of 13.7 decisions in 2011/12.

It’s typical of him to ignore data and simply repeat the tropes that the Tory party feeds him.

So, once again for the folk with their fingers in their ears:-

• The government insists that to make a valid asylum claim here, you must physically be in the UK when you do it.
• The government does not provide people with any safe route to arrive here.
• The government does not issue asylum visas to people abroad.
• The government allows a huge backlog of applications to grow, creating an appearance of a crisis.
• The government refuses French assistance in asylum processing that would stop the boats.
• The government stokes a sense of fear and division on asylum.
• The government offers to ‘fix it’ with draconian measures that appeal to its more right-wing fans.

It’s an unoriginal tactic of a Tory government creating a problem, only to then cast themselves as the only party who can solve it. (Especially leading up to an election, where they are looking at annihilation.)

 

[mudsticks]

The UK government's actions, with our Allies, in Afghanistan and Iraq are clearly part of the problem leading to their being huge numbers of DPs. I suspect we've had our fingers in other pies too but on a longer timeframe so less direct/immediate causation.

What the is, beyond dispute, the action of our current government is refusal of safe routes out of war zones or, subject to conditions, France/EU andclosure of others including the so called Dubs Amendment.

The failure to process applications for people creating the situation where the asylum seeker estate, already in a mess after Covid, is full leading to the need for Hotel Accom here is also deliberate. Braverman's junior, Jenrick, has spelled that out on TV/Radio. Along wait in suboptimal accommodation is explicitly to reduce the pull factor.

The only person making themself look foolish over that is government apologists. @mudsticks is bang on the money.

As I've said before , if the government put its back into reducing claims, particularly from those with slam dunk title to Refugee Status (Afghans etc) then the hotel bill could be halved in months.

The Bibby Barge is obvious performative stuff; it holds less than a day's arrivals.

Steady there Brommers - you'll be accused of collaborating with 'feminists' 😇

 

[Pale Rider]

• The government insists that to make a valid asylum claim here, you must physically be in the UK when you do it.
• The government does not provide people with any safe route to arrive here.
• The government does not issue asylum visas to people abroad.
• The government allows a huge backlog of applications to grow, creating an appearance of a crisis.
• The government refuses French assistance in asylum processing that would stop the boats.
• The government stokes a sense of fear and division on asylum.
• The government offers to ‘fix it’ with draconian measures that appeal to its more right-wing fans.

If it's so difficult to claim asylum, why is there such a backlog?

Surely, one man and his dog in the asylum office should be able to keep up with the trickle?

What's knacked the job is the arrival of 100,000+ stateless persons on small boats, which was not foreseen.

That must be the government's fault because everything is the government's fault in your twisted world.

You might be right in this instance, it is the government's fault, but only because it has made the UK more desirable for economic migrants than anywhere else.

 

[multitool]

Pretty much textbook example of how to get everything wrong in one post on every level.

 

[AndyRM]

It very much is the government's fault that there's a massive backlog of asylum claims, and they certainly haven't made the UK some sort of economic haven.

Personally, every government based system I've had to use recently is absolutely ridiculous and involves jumping through so many hoops it is absolutely baffling. No wonder asylum claims are backed up.

 

[Bromptonaut]

If it's so difficult to claim asylum, why is there such a backlog?

Surely, one man and his dog in the asylum office should be able to keep up with the trickle?

What's knacked the job is the arrival of 100,000+ stateless persons on small boats, which was not foreseen.

That must be the government's fault because everything is the government's fault in your twisted world.

You might be right in this instance, it is the government's fault, but only because it has made the UK more desirable for economic migrants than anywhere else.

The number of claims is up for sure but they're nowhere near at unprecedented levels.

 

[Pale Rider]

Pretty much textbook example of how to get everything wrong in one post on every level.

Yep, I know.

But that what you get from a leftie government hating independence supporting Scottish zealot.

Personally, every government based system I've had to use recently is absolutely ridiculous and involves jumping through so many hoops it is absolutely baffling. No wonder asylum claims are backed up.

Strange to relate, due to unfortunate personal circumstances, I've had to use gov.uk recently a lot more than I would like.

Some of it required some navigating, but I managed to complete business from the comfort of my armchair which would previously have required a visit or three to soulless government buildings.

My brother, who does a lot of this stuff as treasurer of several voluntary organisations, agrees the government online services work pretty well.

He's a retired commercial bank manager, and we both agree dealing with the government is a lot more straightforward than trying to sort a query with a ruddy bank.

In his case NatWest, in my case Barclays.

No wonder Farage got the hump.

 

[AndyRM]

Yep, I know.

But that what you get from a leftie government hating independence supporting Scottish zealot.



Strange to relate, due to unfortunate personal circumstances, I've had to use gov.uk recently a lot more than I would like.

Some of it required some navigating, but I managed to complete business from the comfort of my armchair which would previously have required a visit or three to soulless government buildings.

My brother, who does a lot of this stuff as treasurer of several voluntary organisations, agrees the government online services work pretty well.

He's a retired commercial bank manager, and we both agree dealing with the government is a lot more straightforward than trying to sort a query with a ruddy bank.

In his case NatWest, in my case Barclays.

No wonder Farage got the hump.

Well, it's good that the .gov.uk systems you and your brother are using are working. For a lot of people though, they are needlessly complicated and inaccessible.

 

[All uphill]

Yep, I know.

But that what you get from a leftie government hating independence supporting Scottish zealot.



Strange to relate, due to unfortunate personal circumstances, I've had to use gov.uk recently a lot more than I would like.

Some of it required some navigating, but I managed to complete business from the comfort of my armchair which would previously have required a visit or three to soulless government buildings.

My brother, who does a lot of this stuff as treasurer of several voluntary organisations, agrees the government online services work pretty well.

He's a retired commercial bank manager, and we both agree dealing with the government is a lot more straightforward than trying to sort a query with a ruddy bank.

In his case NatWest, in my case Barclays.

No wonder Farage got the hump.

I've also had to use gov.uk services pretty frequently in the last year and agree that they are transformed from years ago.

One process I used was still on paper and payment was required by postal order! Also a photo was needed, signed by a suitable professional.

In contrast renewing my passport was a doddle.

The processes asylum seekers face are more like my second example, times 1000, and in a foreign language.

I don't believe it is impossible for a government to create a expeditious system that makes good decisions. Seeing people without good claims being rapidly removed would be a good deterrent to those without a genuine need for asylum.