The UK’s broken asylum system

[Rusty Nails]

Making light of ganging up to a bully another member shows signs of desperation.

Bully the other member by all means, but at least have the guts to admit it.

Never trust a Scotsman.

Get a sense of perspective.

This is an internet news/politics forum. People come on it to put views which people will often disagree with (some people, by their own admission, even come on to wind up those they disagree with).

It is a fact that the posters are predominantly to the left of politics so by simple maths there are more of them who criticise those on the right. That is not bullying, and the phrase is abused a lot on here (even Multitool, who is no shrinking violet, or right wing, has accused me and a couple of others of bullying him by mockery )

Shep, and some others he is definitely not in a clique with, actually revels in this and deliberately provokes a reaction.

And as for other comments, not from you, about persecution, use of the word does a disservice to those who really are persecuted, especially in a thread about asylum seekers.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

It's all over the forum,

So none then.

you claim to be right on. a real woke leftie

I’ve never done that either, you’re listening to the voice in your head.

You do like making shoot up, don’t you?

 

[Pale Rider]

Get a sense of perspective.

I have plenty of perspective, which is why the now dozens of insults and character assassinations don't bother me.

However, I've seen posters over the years get genuinely upset by the bullying, and ultimately submit to it by leaving.

I hold no brief for them, but I will continue to point out the nastier elements of group behaviour on here.

So none then.



I’ve never done that either, you’re listening to the voice in your head.

You do like making shoot up, don’t you?

You continue with your inaccurate and unsupported assertions.

I'd have some respect for you if you admitted the obvious, or at least kept silent about it.

Never trust a Scotsman - or expect him to behave honourably.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Never trust a Scotsman - or expect him to behave honourably.

Badinage obviously, from the persecuted one.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I've seen posters over the years get genuinely upset by the bullying, and ultimately submit to it by leaving.

On this forum, with its handful of posters?

It is difficult to assert they left (presumably from the old CC) specifically because of bullying without them actually saying it. What could also possibly have happened is that they got fed up of the overall level of aggro on the old site, which I can understand to an extent.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

you claim to be right on

'Right on' that's a term I haven't heard for a couple of millennia. More years ago than I care to remember a girlfriend accused me of pretending to be right on. The relationship never recovered. I'm thinking @glasgowcyclist and @Pale Rider are heading to a similar conclusion.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

inaccurate and unsupported assertions

I’m loving this style of deflection - accuse the other side of that which you yourself are guilty of.

Keep it up, PR!

 

[glasgowcyclist]

I'm thinking @glasgowcyclist and @Pale Rider are heading to a similar conclusion.

Say it ain’t so, Joe! 😭

 

[Pale Rider]

It is difficult to assert they left (presumably from the old CC) specifically because of bullying without them actually saying it. What could also possibly have happened is that they got fed up of the overall level of aggro on the old site, which I can understand to an extent.

Agreed, the behaviour I refer to was mostly on the old NACA.

However, there are similar incidents on this forum, so it looks like history is setting about repeating itself.

More years ago than I care to remember a girlfriend accused me of pretending to be right on. The relationship never recovered.

Lucky escape for her.

I’m loving this style of deflection - accuse the other side of that which you yourself are guilty of.

Keep it up, PR!

You have my points and the reasons for them.

But there's none so blind as those who will not see.

Never trust a Scotsman to display any self-awareness - even if Burns summed it up well enough.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

You have my points and the reasons for them.

As someone once said on here, your points are…

inaccurate and unsupported

 

[newfhouse]

It's all over the forum,

What’s your best/favourite example?

 

[mudsticks]

Yewlotte sounds much more in character with the 'perps'

It's a shame we can't change our monikers on here, it would be a fun one to have as we keep on with our relentless persecution of the fragile right-wing snoflakerati.

Meanwhile in other rather larger boat news.
Somewhat ironic idea for visa waivers to tackle a deliberately created problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...workers-in-case-of-disease-on-bibby-stockholm

"Freedom of information disclosures of meetings between local and national health officials and the Home Office’s contractors for the barge, Landry & Kling, in the weeks before the first group were moved aboard reveal references to visa-waiver plans for foreign workers, who officials thought might be needed in the event of a significant outbreak of an infectious condition on the barge."

 

[Pale Rider]

tackle a deliberately created problem.

Stupid conspiracy theories are not worthy of examination, but let's see how this one stands up.

The aim is to get hundreds of people to pitch up on UK beaches every day.

According to you, they are all grievously persecuted.

So how does the government engineer that?

Is MI6 fomenting discontent in many foreign countries to provide the raw material?

Then we somehow have to persuade thousands of people to travel across many countries, then risk their lives jumping into a small boat to cross the channel.

Along the way we also have to persuade all the other countries to make themselves appear less desirable than ours.

And all for what? - a not very warm welcome, according to all the apologists on here.

Yep it's obvious, the whole thing is a government plot.

 

[Bromptonaut]

People are turning up because life in their home country leaves them subject to a real fear of persecution etc.

Worldwide issue. More displaced people, even before Ukraine then at end of WW2.

It's the way they're treated here and used as political capital by the Tory party that's the scandal.

 

[mudsticks]

Stupid conspiracy theories are not worthy of examination, but let's see how this one stands up.

The aim is to get hundreds of people to pitch up on UK beaches every day.

According to you, they are all grievously persecuted.

So how does the government engineer that?

Is MI6 fomenting discontent in many foreign countries to provide the raw material?

Then we somehow have to persuade thousands of people to travel across many countries, then risk their lives jumping into a small boat to cross the channel.

Along the way we also have to persuade all the other countries to make themselves appear less desirable than ours.

And all for what? - a not very warm welcome, according to all the apologists on here.

Yep it's obvious, the whole thing is a government plot.

The engineered situation is deliberately neglecting the asylum processing system, which if done properly would mean that people would not need to be held on boats offshore. .

And our not providing safe routes for asylum seekers such as having UK facilities in France.

And yes we are in part historically culpable for some of the unrest, political upheaval, and deprivation in many of the countries from which refugees originate.

Oh and also in our neglect in tackling climate change too.



The persecutions happen in the countries from which they flee, such as women in Afghanistan, Iran.

Their treatment here, if they get here at all is variable.
Some people are very welcoming and try to help.
I'm honoured to have a good number of those people in my circle.

Others including our 'government' are hostile for a number reasons.

Hope that helps your understanding, but I don't believe that you actually care to understand.