The UK’s broken asylum system

[glasgowcyclist]

I've already told you.

You, presumably, don't agree, but I can't get any rational response out of you.

Never underestimate the denseness of a Scotsman.

You haven’t, really.

Try posting just one action that the government has taken that evidences your claim that ‘the government has made the UK the best place in the world for asylum seekers’.

Just one!

 

[Pale Rider]

Stop playing silly games.

Once more, I've told you the UK is obviously very desirable to asylum seekers because of the lengths they go to get here.

It's not a matter of 'just one', it relates to UK society generally.

Or put another way, everything you moan about is seen as desirable by asylum seekers.

Apart, possibly, from Scottish independence which no one outside Scotland gives much of a stuff about.

 

[AndyRM]

What's this "denseness of a Scotsman" pish about?

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Stop playing silly games.

Once more, I've told you the UK is obviously very desirable to asylum seekers because of the lengths they go to get here.

It's not a matter of 'just one', it relates to UK society generally.

Or put another way, everything you moan about is seen as desirable by asylum seekers.

Apart, possibly, from Scottish independence which no one outside Scotland gives much of a stuff about.

You’ve downgraded the UK already! It’s no longer the most desirable, what a pity.

Keep back-pedalling, PR.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Let's pretend they are all grievously persecuted persons genuinely seeking asylum.

Does that make processing them any quicker or easier?

Not much, I would suggest, given that many of the same inquiries still have to be made.

Although if one or two turned up with identification that would be a useful innovation.

If there clearly from, say Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran etc then their claim is very likely to be admissible. Conversely, absent being traded for sex or similar, almost always women there, Albanians are very unlikely to be admissible and can be on a charter back to Tirana lickety split.

What i've described previously as low hanging fruit. If Jenrick and Braverman wanted to do that they could start this afternoon. The night on 200k waiting for decisions isn't inevitable it's performative.

And whatever happens with ID, the evidence, uniformed guy with Cruella notwithstanding, is to say the least variable I don't think an Albanian Joe is going to pass as speaking Arabic. There's far more to losing one's ID in the Channel, if it happens, than concealing your origins. Far more likely it's down to UK PLC's habit of using evidence of your route to say you should have stayed (anywhere but the UK).

 

[Pale Rider]

You’ve downgraded the UK already! It’s no longer the most desirable, what a pity.

Keep back-pedalling, PR.

No back pedalling, so stop making stuff up.

I take it you've finally grasped why the UK is so desirable.

Once again, no rational response, so I'll take it you cannot compose one.

 

[BoldonLad]

The vast majority of refugees globally – four out of every five – stay in their region of displacement, and consequently are hosted by developing countries. Turkey now hosts the highest number of refugees with 3.7 million, followed by Colombia with 1.7 million.

Worldwide, roughly 85%  of all refugees live in developing regions , not in wealthy industrialised countries, and 73% of refugees displaced abroad live in countries neighbouring their countries of origin.
Source = https://www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/

Top 10 Countries Hosting the Highest Number of International Refugees (mid-2021 data):​

1. Turkey — 3,696,831
2. Jordan — 3,027,729
3. Uganda — 1,475,311
4. Pakistan — 1,438,523
5. Lebanon — 1,338,197
6. Germany — 1,235,160
7. Sudan — 1,068,339
8. Bangladesh — 889,775
9. Iran — 800,025
10. Ethiopia — 782,896

Source = https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/refugees-by-country

That was my point, it is noteworthy that only one European Country makes the top ten.

Ethiopians, and, no doubt others, have the dubious distinction of being refugees themselves, in some cases being killed attempting to enter Saudi Arabia.

You do not have to defend "the Asylum cause" to me, I agree with you, the UK's processing system is a shambles, and, needs to be fixed.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

No back pedalling, so stop making stuff up.

I take it you've finally grasped why the UK is so desirable.

Once again, no rational response, so I'll take it you cannot compose one.

If what you claimed were true, we’d be top of the table for asylum applications.

We are not.

Measured in asylum applications per 10,000 population, we are *19th in Europe.

Even in absolute numbers, we are currently only 5th in Europe, with Germany, France, Spain, and Greece all with higher numbers. I don’t know what our world ranking is, but since we take less than 1% of the global number, it’s going to be way near the bottom.

So much for your claim.

Rational enough?

(*2021 figures)

 

[AndyRM]

If what you claimed were true, we’d be top of the table for asylum applications.

We are not.

Measured in asylum applications per 10,000 population, we are *19th in Europe.

Even in absolute numbers, we are currently only 5th in Europe, with Germany, France, Spain, and Greece all with higher numbers. I don’t know what our world ranking is, but since we take less than 1% of the global number, it’s going to be way near the bottom.

So much for your claim.

Rational enough?

(*2021 figures)

Love a good clamping.

 

[The Crofted Crest]

What's this "denseness of a Scotsman" pish about?

Rabbitry.

 

[AuroraSaab]

If what you claimed were true, we’d be top of the table for asylum applications.

I thought I read here that you can't make an asylum claim unless you're in the country? Being an island would thus account for the lower number of applications surely.

 

[qigong chimp]

 

[mudsticks]

What's this "denseness of a Scotsman" pish about?

Oh c'mon Andy what did the Scots ever do for us??

I mean apart from all this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_inventions_and_discoveries
(The bicycle gets a mention even!)

And generally being really friendly to incomers, and having amazing scenery, and some of the best musicians, and writers, innovators, radical and creative thinkers, and and

and well hardly anything of merit really 🙄

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Stop playing silly games.

Once more, I've told you the UK is obviously very desirable to asylum seekers because of the lengths they go to get here.

It's not a matter of 'just one', it relates to UK society generally.

Or put another way, everything you moan about is seen as desirable by asylum seekers.

Apart, possibly, from Scottish independence which no one outside Scotland gives much of a stuff about.

That's what i wondered too possibly somewhere in this thread could be another, but it is strange that they all come from safe countries(France, the Netherlands Germany etc. are safe countries and risk their lives to come here.
They don't get more money here, they don't get better care, i don't understand. Can someone explain or is it just silly ''youre an racist for questioning their motives kind of thing today/this week etc. ?''

If what you claimed were true, we’d be top of the table for asylum applications.

We are not.

Measured in asylum applications per 10,000 population, we are *19th in Europe.

Even in absolute numbers, we are currently only 5th in Europe, with Germany, France, Spain, and Greece all with higher numbers. I don’t know what our world ranking is, but since we take less than 1% of the global number, it’s going to be way near the bottom.

So much for your claim.

Rational enough?

(*2021 figures)

Be that as it may there is still an substancial amount of asylum seekers that travel trough Europe directly to the uk and are prepared to make dangerous crossings to get here. Something you don't need when you're already in Spain/Gemany/France etc.

 

[multitool]

That's what i wondered too possibly somewhere in this thread could be another, but it is strange that they all come from safe countries(France, the Netherlands Germany etc. are safe countries and risk their lives to come here.
They don't get more money here, they don't get better care, i don't understand. Can someone explain or is it just silly ''youre an racist for questioning their motives kind of thing today/this week etc. ?''

Be that as it may there is still an substancial amount of asylum seekers that travel trough Europe directly to the uk and are prepared to make dangerous crossings to get here. Something you don't need when you're already in Spain/Gemany/France etc.

Maybe they have no choice. Have you thought of that?

A sizeable chunk are very vulnerable Albanisns, often young, who are trafficked here then forced into some sort of slavery. Girls too.