The UK’s broken asylum system

[AuroraSaab]

How do you get a UK holiday visa in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan or Sudan?

We were talking about architects, GP's, engineers, and not specifically talking about those countries. Of course it would be difficult to get a visa from most of those countries to the UK. Syrians can travel visa free, and with visas, to many countries outside the EU though. Sudan passport holders can travel visa free, or get a visa on arrival, to many countries, including much of Africa.

If you are a persecuted doctor, architect, or engineer, there are options other than making your way directly to the UK for asylum. Which isn't to say we couldn't do more to open up official channels to such people.

 

[Bromptonaut]

We were talking about architects, GP's, engineers, and not specifically talking about those countries. Of course it would be difficult to get a visa from most of those countries to the UK. Syrians can travel visa free, and with visas, to many countries outside the EU though. Sudan passport holders can travel visa free, or get a visa on arrival, to many countries, including much of Africa.

If you are a persecuted doctor, architect, or engineer, there are options other than making your way directly to the UK for asylum. Which isn't to say we couldn't do more to open up official channels to such people.

The reason I listed those countries is because they're the nationalities getting Asylum in the UK.

 

[Bromptonaut]

A divided house cannot stand

Time for peaceful protest


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Is that guy actually a Canon in our Established Church or just a nut job in a clerical collar?

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Is that guy actually a Canon in our Established Church or just a nut job in a clerical collar?

Looks like the nut job end. As opposed to the perfectly rational and sane archbishop of Canterbury or the Pope.

 

[All uphill]

We were talking about architects, GP's, engineers, and not specifically talking about those countries. Of course it would be difficult to get a visa from most of those countries to the UK. Syrians can travel visa free, and with visas, to many countries outside the EU though. Sudan passport holders can travel visa free, or get a visa on arrival, to many countries, including much of Africa.

If you are a persecuted doctor, architect, or engineer, there are options other than making your way directly to the UK for asylum. Which isn't to say we couldn't do more to open up official channels to such people.

You are aware that leaving many repressive countries also requires a visa?

 

[AuroraSaab]

Yes. And in many countries there are no border controls and you can leave at will on foot, visa or not. The countries along the way aren't going to stop you in transit. The Afghan route is via Iran, Turkey, and the western Balkans. All of which nominally require visas but who will happily let you pass through if you are headed in the EU direction.

Perhaps we should make it easier to move here from those countries legally, through safe, regulated channels. It won't stop or reduce the numbers attempting to cross the channel or overstaying visas though because both of those ways are still achievable routes of access to the UK for those who wouldn't get residency through other means or who have exhausted asylum options in the EU.

I haven't seen anybody offering a workable solution to the issue, only slogans.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Safe routes from hot spots or places near by is one option.

Another is pre-processing of claims in France for those who are both prima facie eligible for asylum and have a UK connection.

I don't think over staying works any longer.

 

[Deleted member 159]

France won't go with processing on their turf. They want shot of them asap. That's why they are doing the least possible to stop the boats.

France has a big enough problem already with uncontrollable illegal immigrants, nothing is going be done to save UK

 

[Milzy]

Just been past Rotherham, far right thugs are attacking the holiday inn that’s housing migrants. Been there all day. They are trying to cause fires. Think they will end up getting inside. The migrants will protect themselves with the hotel knives. Looks like the exact same going off on Tamworth, the northeast and a few other towns.
People said this would happen eventually.

 

[AndyRM]

Is that guy actually a Canon in our Established Church or just a nut job in a clerical collar?

A definite nutjob.

 

[Bromptonaut]

France won't go with processing on their turf. They want shot of them asap. That's why they are doing the least possible to stop the boats.

France has a big enough problem already with uncontrollable illegal immigrants, nothing is going be done to save UK

AIUI France would be OK with processing on their 'turf' and would allow us to provide facilities. Helps get shot of people without them being involved.

Where/how do the French have a problem with 'uncontrollable' illegal immigrants other than as a product of their own actions and blatant Islamophobia.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Wouldn't the French be responsible for the ones whose application was rejected? I don't think such a system would stop people trying to enter across the channel as there's the perception that the UK treats you better than France does and it's harder to be removed once you are in the UK so eventually getting residency is more likely.

 

[Bromptonaut]

The French are responsible for people on their territory whether or not they've been turned down by the UK.

If we've considered their cases, which would include fingerprints ad other biometric data then, were they to turn up on our shores, they can be identified and dealt with including return to France or some other 'safe' country.

I'd expect any legal routes deal with France to cover that possibility. One of the costs of leaving the EU as we did was that we disregarded issues like this.

There is no universal panacea for mass migration but there has to be a more productive route than delivering speeches from behind a lectern with STOP THE BOATS written on it.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

France won't go with processing on their turf.

That’s more bollocks.

The French offered us the necessary land to build a UK processing centre and even offered to help fund it. The Tories rejected it.

 

[AuroraSaab]

We're already in a joint agreement with France, costing hundreds of millions, and it doesn't make much difference to Channel arrivals. I honestly don't see why you would hang around in France for a claim to be processed, with a chance of deportation if unsuccessful, when you know that being in the UK makes the odds of staying much higher.