fozy tornip
At the controls of my private jet.
You had me at "huge veiny man-steak".
War with Russia
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You had me at "huge veiny man-steak".
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Milzy
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How can I trust them?
Anyway Ukraine capital pummelled by sophisticated missiles. And nothing will get done about it. Russia isn’t Iraq or Syria who can be easily bullied and toppled. You need to understand the top elites want this conflict to keep dragging on and on for more profits. Only Trump could put a stop to this proxy war.
dutchguylivingintheuk
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By selling out Ukraine in an deal which benefits other ''top elites'' yeah sounds like a plan. If we then continue like that, giving Putin little pieces of land every time he illegally invades again, be it by military force or political coup(Belarus, Georgia)
How long will it take we don't have europe anymore?
Sounds like you're proud the super-mighty army of Russia attacks civilian targets once again? The lie they keep on repeating is that they do not attack civilian targets, they claim it's ''Nato advisros'', ''bio-labs'', etc. etc.
But they got something coming today there where again this time on a other border a group off Russian's with good weapsons armour and stuff crossing the border with Russia, to fight russian forces.
Like you said a few post back, Russia has always fought wars of attrition, using men like disposables but it seems that it slowly but not slower than Russia's military advances it turning agianst them, the joke on them is that it are the best trained forces who switch sides.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Do you need someone to send help? You've gone off the deep end here.
Badger_Boom
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The same Donald Trump who thought that the USA spent too much time and money being the world police? I suspect he is also a big (maybe the bigliest) fan of the 'let Putin have the 'Russian' bits of Ukraine he wants and he'll stop' theory.
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Not only China...Countries around the world are moving on from the US.
"Iran, Saudi Arabia agree to resume diplomatic ties and re-open embassies within two months after negotiations in China.
India surely will become one of the biggest players in the next decade ?
India, today the 3rd largest oil importer in the world, now "pays for most Russian oil in non-dollar currencies".
https://www.reuters.com/markets/cur...dent-decades-old-dollar-dominance-2023-03-08/
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Milzy
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Let Russia take the corrupt Ukraine. They’re not in the EU or NATO. Why should we waste money and innocent civilian life?
Look what happened with Afghanistan, all that money and life wasted and the Taliban just re-took everything and more with all the US equipment and arms. The west could only win if they entered fully committed which I’d never agree with.
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If anything doesn't that prove the value of resisting from the Ukrainian point of view?
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Milzy
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Resisting isn’t always the right option. Look at how pointless Veitnam was for the Americans. Maybe they should have sent more conscripts and money there? If Ukraine want to defend their lands then fine but why should we pay for it?
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Wasn't it the NVA that was resisting? USA were on foreign soil after all
Mr Celine
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We could pay for it from the admission charges levied on tourists at Salisbury Cathedral. (123m BTW).
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Milzy
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True but the point is who is going to give in first? Maybe Russia will give in because they are on foreign soil. However Britain took an Empire by winning on foreign soil.
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I think it comes down to economics and political power. I think Ukraine have the political power because they are widely considered the defenders and have huge backing, the longer this war goes on without significant success, the less political power Putin will have and will be in an increasingly precarious position. Economics is a more difficult question. Ukraine's economy is essentially in tatters and is reliant on foreign aid to prop up their war effort. That will only exist for as long as the will from foreign support goes on and is out of Ukrainian control. An election in the US, which could lead to a change of government and which is more weary of Ukrainian support would devastate Ukraine's position . Russia's economy is definitely hurting but they do have the benefit of being a less open, enclosed economy that is resource rich. But they require customers and the half a million barrels a day of oil they are cutting this month is a sign that all is not well.
multitool
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Ukraine has political power for two interconnected reasons. It has a border with Poland, and it's fate acts as a marker for other former Soviet states that are now independent.
If, like Georgia, it had no border with NATO, or NATO aligned countries, there would probably have been no NATO response...as happened when Georgia was attacked
There is a lot of mythology surrounding Russia in terms of military and political prowess, but both of these are mythic. Their army is shît, their military structures are hollowed out through corruption and their leader is both mental and strategically incompetent.
Notions of Russia as plucky underdog fighting against the imperial might of a hegemonic US should be dropped, and the gëstalt of the situation observed.
Russia is flying missiles into apartment blocks, has killed thousands and has carried out an attempted conquest
If, like Georgia, it had no border with NATO, or NATO aligned countries, there would probably have been no NATO response...as happened when Georgia was attacked
There is a lot of mythology surrounding Russia in terms of military and political prowess, but both of these are mythic. Their army is shît, their military structures are hollowed out through corruption and their leader is both mental and strategically incompetent.
Notions of Russia as plucky underdog fighting against the imperial might of a hegemonic US should be dropped, and the gëstalt of the situation observed.
Russia is flying missiles into apartment blocks, has killed thousands and has carried out an attempted conquest
