War with Russia

[Unkraut]

"From the embers of dead empires." Excellent speech delivered by the Kenyan ambassador to the UN.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofijY6M-OA8

 

[qigong chimp]

"Embers of dead Empires"?
With Putin moving his nukes to дефцон 4 that could be prescient.

 

[qigong chimp]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/27/western-media-coverage-ukraine-russia-invasion-criticism

 

[Deleted member 28]

'Daughters' should not have an initial capital. Slappy wristy, must do better.

That's better.

 

[Hitchington]

Absolutely mate, I dropped an apostrophe in the wrong place once and you would have thought I'd f***ed one of their Daughters!

Love it here though as it reminds me how lucky I am to be still in touch with the real world.

You know the world is a diverse place with people who have lots of different experiences, views and ideas which are reflected on forums like here.

The "real" world isn't represented in some grubby little Wetherspoons boozer in Wolverhampton.

And why would you compare your poor grasp of the English language with you sexually assaulting a forum member's female child?

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

A load of pish... Putin was never backed into any corner and the Ukrainian war is nothing but a shameless land grab built upon paranoia and unfounded fears. Putin wants this war, he has his reasons, and those reasons remain locked into his own mind. No one is claiming the Ukrainian government acted without mistake and miscalculation, but diplomacy is always an option, in fact talks were still ongoing but Putin wanted to strong arm Ukraine into another puppet state, a choice the sovereign nation didn't want to place themselves into, they have been there before. A fact in that he also likes to completely wave his willy shaped nukes at foreign powers for not doing what he wants them to do and the constant deception regarding his troop build up and an invasion lead from a foreign country in Belarus that was allegedly a military exercise... A decision that has been alleged to have been take last summer with Sergey Shoygu, no verification of course... Im not some mindless "support west foreign policy" at all costs, i was and still am ashamed by the decision to invade Iraq for example, but using such is not mutually exclusive as seems to be the apologists favourite argument...

Goodness. Untangling the confusion of issues your brought up would frankly not be a good use of my time. What I would say, is if you must bring morality into a discussion of a realpolitik decision by Putin to show your rage or collect some likes then by all means, but doesn't your response feels a bit rubbish to you, given you invited me to comment on his motivation, to which I suggested and provided a link to a carefully analysed and fully explained reason, then you call it pish/apologist because your reason why he "wants this war" is.... actually you can't say... "it is locked into his own mind!"?

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

Bullshit. Whatever your beliefs about the wider geopolitics, in this case it’s the Russians that decided that causing misery by bombing and invading a neighbouring country was the right thing to do.

War is very rarely the right answer.

I respect your right to apportion blame based on your superficial diagnostic, or is it gut feel?

Putin's invasion and the resulting devastation and deaths are the symptoms. Not the disease.

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

I know we don’t want to believe it’s true but Russian generals are very clever. I don’t think we’ve seen anything from them yet.

The flip side of the popular belief is this, which would explain this and this. Not popular, but likely closer to the truth, I suspect.

 

[newfhouse]

I respect your right to apportion blame based on your superficial diagnostic, or is it gut feel?

Putin's invasion and the resulting devastation and deaths are the symptoms. Not the disease.

My gut feel matches the facts. The Russian government may feel their future tenure is threatened but their borders have not been breached by foreign military action for eighty years, have they?

The same is not true of their neighbours that have or had the temerity to expect to act independently, all the way back to Prague and Budapest. Mentioning American, British, Chinese or other imperialist transgressions doesn’t get them off the hook. It’s still wrong.

 

[mudsticks]

You know the world is a diverse place with people who have lots of different experiences, views and ideas which are reflected on forums like here.

The "real" world isn't represented in some grubby little Wetherspoons boozer in Wolverhampton.

And why would you compare your poor grasp of the English language with you sexually assaulting a forum member's female child?

Time to come clean Hitch..

You know all the rest of us live in the
'Unreal World'

Where peace abides continuously, and sexual assault never happens, we're all just innocently skipping about in The Shire, lining up our second breakfasts...

Still awaiting Gandalfs arrival... .

Meanwhile the bees here go about their work.
Unhindered by fossil fuelled climate change.
Or man created neonicitinoids.

The Goddess only knows how all this will end.
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But why suddenly so squeamish now Mr Johnson, these greedy bully boys have been funding your party for years .

And you've been allowing them to stash their cash, and increase their wealth here.

All of a sudden they're beyond the pale..???

What changed ??

Mr Johnson said: "There is no place for dirty money in the UK. We are going faster and harder to tear back the façade that those supporting Putin's campaign of destruction have been hiding behind for so long.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Time to come clean Hitch..

You know all the rest of us live in the
'Unreal World'

Where peace abides continuously, and sexual assault never happens, we're all just innocently skipping about in The Shire, lining up our second breakfasts...

Still awaiting Gandalfs arrival... .

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Meanwhile the bees here go about their work.
Unhindered by fossil fuelled climate change.
Or man created neonicitinoids.

The Goddess only knows how all this will end.
*********

But why suddenly so squeamish now Mr Johnson, these greedy bully boys have been funding your party for years .

And you've been allowing them to stash their cash, and increase their wealth here.

All of a sudden they're beyond the pale..???

What changed ??

Mr Johnson said: "There is no place for dirty money in the UK. We are going faster and harder to tear back the façade that those supporting Putin's campaign of destruction have been hiding behind for so long.

The UK's Government and financial institutions are sooooo complicit in the suffering of the Ukranian people. But why stop with Putin's money? Other despots money-laundering is available. Maybe close-down a few financial loopholes while you're at it to allow 'legitimate' tax avoidance and financial obfuscation....

On the other hand, in my real world, the sun is shining, the roof is not leaking, the larder is full, there's fuel in the cars, beer in the fridge, the heating is on and my family and friends are all well, successful and happy. I really don't know why I concern myself with these things....

 

[Cirrus]

That’s nothing. There’s a slow moving 20 kilometre convoy heading towards Folkestone and Dover. France had better be on high alert.

Perhaps the UK and Sweden should send the French some NLAWs as well

 

[Cirrus]

It's being reported (BBC live) that Ukraine are asking for a ceasefire until the proposed talks have taken please, sincerely hope it happens and is respected by all concerned.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Words cannot express the contempt I feel towards this Tory government.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I respect your right to apportion blame based on your superficial diagnostic, or is it gut feel?

Putin's invasion and the resulting devastation and deaths are the symptoms. Not the disease.

Yes, the symptoms of the disease. The disease is nationalism, power, and longing for former ‘glories’.