War with Russia

[Rusty Nails]

The UK's Government and financial institutions are sooooo complicit in the suffering of the Ukranian people. But why stop with Putin's money? Other despots money-laundering is available. Maybe close-down a few financial loopholes while you're at it to allow 'legitimate' tax avoidance and financial obfuscation....
On the other hand, in my real world, the sun is shining, the roof is not leaking, the larder is full, there's fuel in the cars, beer in the fridge, the heating is on and my family and friends are all well, successful and happy. I really don't know why I concern myself with these things....

I thought you were moving to Devon, not Wolverhampton.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Sounds a bit like the "it will be over by Christmas" of WW1 fame, 4 years later, and, a few millions dead.....

Yeah altough the rumors goes that Russia will be out of money in about 10 days if they keep up this rate... on the other hand the creep of Belrusia is already talking about WW3 so lets hope for the best, the stock markets in Russia are a total mayhem this morning despite Russia's efforts.

They may well have believed when they were tootling up and down the border, on their own side, that they were taking part in exercises, however, once you start loading live rounds into your rifle, heading in the same direction as the missiles that are flying overhead, shooting at people, that are shooting back, and people are dying around you, my guess is that you'd figure out pretty quickly that you weren't on exercises anymore.

Sure but when you say that i get reminded by an (and i have seen many) documentary about tjernobyl the journalist was calling the firefighter who went in the plant to change something to try to stop the fire a hero, to which his response was ''it was sovjet Russia there was no heroism you did what you where told. I think that to an certain extent that also applies today to the Russian Army it's sure as hell not compareable to any european country. But yes partly you can also say it's their responsibility as well they took the order and executed it.

This response was in a draft since yesterday evening, in the meantime i found this article:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/02/26/i-m-panicking-where-is-my-child

Giving more insight in the store behind it. Not that i don't no the newsmedium in a quick search it seems to be linked to pro-freedom/against putin Russians but they say themselves to aim on as unbiased reporting as possible.

I'm still here,

good!

and still of the opinion that if NATO had got it's arse in gear, and mobilised early wouldn't be in this mess.
Also, am still firmly of the opinion that the Russian military is a shadow of its propoganda. Much of their equipment is old and outdated compared to NATO which has both numerical and financial superiority.

In this case it might have been, they are doing a lot now, but still think they can prevent getting involved, the frequency in which Putin and the Belrussian creep are using de term ww3 makes me think they have well planned.
But the Nato's army is much more modern, the bigger complication of a war with Russia would be China picking their side, but considering their choice to abstain in the un security council makes that less likely.

Furthermore there are plenty lessons from Russia's own history that shows that taking cities from a well organised patriotic defence is a very blood-heavy endeavour.
The point about conscripts and the morale of the Russian forces is a good one. IIRC a few years back they were not even being paid properly such were the state of tge countries finances.

Not only Russia for that matter very few armies have succeeded in such a war. It renders material more of a burden then a usefull tool, and sets the invader on the backfoot as locals are more likely to known every corner and alley. In some towns Ukrainian changed the roads signs sending the russians in Circles for example.

Russia's people are poor. Living conditions for the majority are low by western standards. I can't see them wanting more millions of Roubles spent fighting a war few Russians want. Also there has been a big generational shift since Putin came to power. The young, the travelled and the educated don't care about the USSR, they have grown with the internet, with freedom to travel internationally, they see through Putins lies. Hopefully now their time will come.

So despite the propaganda, I don't belive this is playing that well at home. The world is united in its condemnation, and those 'close' to Putin are feeling their livelyhoods seriously curtailled and realise Russia is about to become an economic basket case. Even China seems embarrassed into silence.

Putin is a cornered rat. This is his last throw of the dice, his Chechna. The west needs to steady the buffs, support Ukraine and others in the region in any way possible. The only remaining question is how many on both sides need to die before Putin's days are over.
It's a bloody mess but freedom can and will prevail.

The problem is also that those poor poeple don't have the money to travel, so they don't see a lot other than what the Kremlin is telling them, that why they block social media and any other news channels reporting about everything they don't particularly like.
The young was seen protesting at some times until they where all thrown in jail, to learn them in Russia it's better to shut up instead of speak out.

I really hope it's his last throw of the dice, i remember we tought that before but he found a little hole and crept (or creeped) up again

 

[fozy tornip]

With the Rouble at an historic low on the currency markets is, er, now the time to buy Roubles?
Asking for a friend and non-dom donor to the Tory party, obvs..

 

[mudsticks]

I thought you were moving to Devon, not Wolverhampton.

Crivens , move to Devon??

Whatever next??

it's so uncivilised down here that Waitrose has been known to run out of nduja !?!?!😳

With the Rouble at an historic low on the currency markets is, er, now the time to buy Roubles?
Asking for a friend and non-dom donor to the Tory party, obvs..

Why waste a good chance to exploit a crisis??

Give it a go, and let us know how you get on 👍🏼

And Look!! we can't even clean our own windscreens..

Twice..For some reason..🤨

 

[Deleted member 28]

You know the world is a diverse place with people who have lots of different experiences, views and ideas which are reflected on forums like here.

The "real" world isn't represented in some grubby little Wetherspoons boozer in Wolverhampton.

And why would you compare your poor grasp of the English language with you sexually assaulting a forum member's female child?

What a Clown!

 

[theclaud]

Even Toby Young is going to be right once in a while

Sounds a bit farfetched TBH.

 

[Deleted member 28]

On the other hand, in my real world, the sun is shining, the roof is not leaking, the larder is full, there's fuel in the cars, beer in the fridge, the heating is on and my family and friends are all well, successful and happy. I really don't know why I concern myself with these things....

Because you like to make out you're 'down with the people' and you can all come on here and moan and signal you're virtues whilst not really suffering one bit but somehow make yourselves feel a little less guilty because you're doing ok.

Sh*t you won't see my reply, or maybe you will????

 

[theclaud]

Decent crowd at Solidarity with Ukraine demo yn y Mwmbwls yesterday.

 

[Deleted member 49]

With the Rouble at an historic low on the currency markets is, er, now the time to buy Roubles?
Asking for a friend and non-dom donor to the Tory party, obvs..

Some friends you have....

 

[mudsticks]

Decent crowd at Solidarity with Ukraine demo yn y Mwmbwls yesterday.

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Hello Swansea.. !! 👋🏼

Or I guess that should be helo Abertawe. ?

 

[theclaud]

Anyway, I don't claim to be especially knowledgeable about Ukraine, but it seems to me quite possible to recognise and oppose a war of aggression without insisting on 'unshakeable' support for NATO or conducting a demented campaign of smears and repression against its critics. Just in case anyone wants to let the Labour front bench know, like.

Anyway, this seems a sensible article...

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2022/02/western-leaders-are-hypocrites-when-it-comes-to-war

 

[theclaud]

Hello Swansea.. !! 👋🏼

Or I guess that should be helo Abertawe. ?

Shwmae!

 

[stowie]

The flip side of the popular belief is this, which would explain this and this. Not popular, but likely closer to the truth, I suspect.

I am very, very far from any type of military strategist. However....

This assumes that Putin's game plan from the start was a quite long and protracted siege type war.

Is it not more likely that Putin's assumption was for the Ukraine government to collapse quickly, with the armed forces in disarray against a fast moving Russian army? That then Putin could install his puppet government so quickly that the West wouldn't have a chance to respond? That Ukraine citizens would accept the new status quo?

If Putin does manage to encircle the major cities, then what? He tries to starve them into submission like Sarajevo? He sends in troops to the cities for urban warfare? Neither look great options, and with both Russia will be put under more and more sanctions with the west pouring in aid and military hardware for a Ukraine army that is still functioning.

Putin has been in power for around 20 years (with a "gap" where he was driving from the back seat). He probably doesn't have people around him to tell him his plan is a really shoot one. He may have made a huge misjudgement on the response likely from the West plus the response from both Ukraine military and civilian populations. The EU, UK and US are pouring in arms and money - including fighter jets and armour piercing rockets. Does Putin have time on his side?

 

[Beebo]

With the Rouble at an historic low on the currency markets is, er, now the time to buy Roubles?
Asking for a friend and non-dom donor to the Tory party, obvs..

I reckon you could snap up a few Dacha’s for a good price.

https://moscowestates.com/houses-for-sale/

 

[mudsticks]

Shwmae!

>>>>> Hurries off to Google translate , to discover if been hailed, or harried >>>>
🙄

Ahh..Hello..

Very well Thankyou..

If a bit worried about the general state of things "Out there" 🙁