Rusty Nails
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And right on cue.......
What .....give us your take then ? All out war 🙄And right on cue.......
Instead of the USA and others pumping weapons and money into the war....I'd like to see Biden etc calling on peace talks cease fires ?
Escalation by NATO/USA surely leads to WW3 ?
What .....give us your take then ? All out war 🙄
Did I say that ? When was the last time a war wound down nicely .....there has to be concessions by all unfortunately.What would you suggest the Ukrainians do? Allow Russia to carve off more of their country? Allow them to dictate what their government can/can't do? The only escalation of this conflict is by Russia, and the only acceptable peace is one where Russia withdraws it's troops from Ukraine.
Well of course we'd all like that. Are you suggesting that we withdraw military support from Ukraine so that they are forced to make concessions to Putin? Past history suggests that any concessions to Putin will lead to further aggression on his part in a few years time....
I'd prefer to see this end as soon as possible without any further loss of life.
Russia invaded an independent country, deliberately devastated cities, killed thousands of civilians, committed war crimes, kidnapped thousands of civilians has broken temporary ceasefires to allow civilians safe passage out of cities, has pulled out of peace talks until it strengthens its hand by creating even more devastation, has now started false flag tactics to justify threatening Moldova, yet somehow the blame is with Biden and the West.What .....give us your take then ? All out war 🙄
Instead of the USA and others pumping weapons and money into the war....I'd like to see Biden etc calling on peace talks cease fires ?
Escalation by NATO/USA surely leads to WW3 ?
Well of course we'd all like that. Are you suggesting that we withdraw military support from Ukraine so that they are forced to make concessions to Putin? Past history suggests that any concessions to Putin will lead to further aggression on his part in a few years time.
I do follow it, just don't post about it when there is no news to report that others can find just as easyly, but a genocide has been recognised by Ukraine(no surprise), some baltic countries and Canada so it's in line of expectations that other countries will follow. (except for the usual)This thread's gone quiet, but outside the rhetoric is heating-up.
Still not convinced this is going to end-up without direct NATO involvement in the fairly near future unless Putin is removed by his own.
Putin holds all the cards to keep this rolling along. I can't see him being ground down to the last tank - he will do something to which NATO will have to respond.
He must either be victorious or martyr to NATO aggression.
There was an UN guy with Putin yesterday, negotiating safe passage for civilians, today he is in Kiyv Putin knew that and Kiyv is bombed for the first time in a week. That isn't a coincidence. You can't talk about peace of your enemy insist on war, you need to take away his ability to wage that war first.Instead of the USA and others pumping weapons and money into the war....I'd like to see Biden etc calling on peace talks cease fires ?
Escalation by NATO/USA surely leads to WW3 ?
It can't stop yet, we haven't tried out all the latest kit. We don't want to repeat the blowpipe missile fiasco.
Once we know it works the manufacturers will no doubt ask for a few more videos to help sell the product afterwards.
Yebbut it's all the fault of NATO/US. Stands to reason.And peace talks have already been tryed, in Belarus, in Turkey, Isreal's president flew in both to Moscow and Kiyv all without any use, you really think the US could make any difference?
And the Russians got to practice their kit in early on Aleppo. It's almost as if it were a dress rehearsal for something they might want to get involved in later.
Did they learn any lessons though?
The T72's pop-off turret was first noticed as a feature on Iraqi examples in the 1991 Gulf war and thirty years later they're still doing it.