F*ck the Tories: a Thread Dedicated to Suella Braverman

[winjim]

And I'm fairly open about my white cis-het able bodied male privilege so being referred to as 'just another bloke' is a bit, well, you know.

 

[Fab Foodie]

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And I'm fairly open about my white cis-het able bodied male privilege so being referred to as 'just another bloke' is a bit, well, you know.

RSBB perchance?

 

[winjim]

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RSBB perchance?

5'10" and 10st of geeky four eyed puny autistic masculinity.

I would lose a bike race against a woman, put it that way.

 

[icowden]

I'm seeing a lot of sympathy for males who want to play on the female team and not much sympathy for girls who are losing places, medals, and scholarships, or facing competing against someone that they know they can never beat, like Lia Thomas.

I agree.
I also note that we see no sympathy at all for the trans athletes competing in the male categories but failing to win, or even get on the podium

Presumably we should be campaigning for some sort of change to the male events to level the playing field for trans competitors if we are striving for true equality?

If only there were some sort of scientific way of sorting this out...

 

[PaulB]

How come you never see any mens netball teams? Or is there one?

 

[AuroraSaab]

And I'm fairly open about my white cis-het able bodied male privilege so being referred to as 'just another bloke' is a bit, well, you know.

Perhaps you could apply your awareness of your male privilege to the issues that concern women then. That would be more constructive.

I agree.
I also note that we see no sympathy at all for the trans athletes competing in the male categories but failing to win, or even get on the podium

Apart from Mack Beggs, who transitioned male to female, and had some success in high school boys wrestling I am not aware of any F to M athlete who has wanted to move to the male category. They wouldn't achieve the same success in most sports because the performance gap between men and women is 10% to 40% depending on the sport.

The obvious solution is an Open category for males, exceptional females, and transwomen and a protected Female category.

 

[BoldonLad]

How come you never see any mens netball teams? Or is there one?

Isn't that called basketball?

 

[AuroraSaab]

5'10" and 10st of geeky four eyed puny autistic masculinity.
I would lose a bike race against a woman, put it that way.

Thing is, Jim, you wouldn't. Against a woman cyclist of the same ability and age, and actually against women who are fitter and younger, you would likely win every time because of the advantages your male body provides (ultra long distance endurance events being the exception). How else do you explain middle aged Laurel Hubbard getting in an Olympic final with 20 - 25 year olds? Or overweight and clearly unfit Veronica Ivy succeeding in Masters events? Or Lia Thomas going from 400th nationally to 1st?

I think you have a blindspot on this issue because, like most people, you don't want to be seen as unkind.

 

[PaulB]

Isn't that called basketball?

Two different sports aren't they? You see women's basketball teams but no men's netball teams.

 

[AndyRM]

Two different sports aren't they? You see women's basketball teams but no men's netball teams.

Men's netball is a thing.

 

[winjim]

Perhaps you could apply your awareness of your male privilege to the issues that concern women then. That would be more constructive.

More constructive than what? I think women would benefit from having a competent AG who is able to interpret and apply the law correctly, which is what I thought the thread was about.

 

[icowden]

Against a woman cyclist of the same ability and age, and actually against women who are fitter and younger, you would likely win every time because of the advantages your male body provides (ultra long distance endurance events being the exception). How else do you explain middle aged Laurel Hubbard getting in an Olympic final with 20 - 25 year olds? Or overweight and clearly unfit Veronica Ivy succeeding in Masters events? Or Lia Thomas going from 400th nationally to 1st?

And what reinforces that is that 14 year old schoolboys competing at high level are easily able to beat women's records for most athletic events. There was a chart posted somewhere.

 

[AuroraSaab]

More constructive than moaning about thread drift, winjim. We disagree over whether her interpretation is correct or not, but threads often drift. Given your level of self-awareness of your male privilege, you have no comment on the wider issues? If you think a woman cyclist of the same age, fitness, and ability could beat you in a race then I think you don't actually have much awareness at all.

Gulf in performance between Women Olympic athletes and US high school boys is here:
https://boysvswomen.com/#/

 

[winjim]

Well we disagree over whether her interpretation is correct or not, but threads often drift. Given your level of self-awareness of your male privilege, you have no comment on the wider issues? If you think a woman cyclist of the same age, fitness, and ability could beat you in a race then I think you don't actually have much awareness at all.

Choosing not to comment is not the same thing as having no comment. I apologise for not being clearer that my bike race comment was a joke.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I assumed it was a joke. But the whole premise of why this old joke is funny - 'I'm so crap at sports even a woman could beat me' - shows that we all know about male sports advantage, even if we pretend we don't or think it should be ignored in the name of inclusivity.