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albion
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All Putin has ever been bothered about is holding onto power.
The war was born out of his insecurity.
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All Putin has ever been bothered about is holding onto power.
The war was born out of his insecurity.
Fab Foodie
Legendary Member
I do hope he's feeling better about that now....
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Milzy
Well-Known Member
Chucking Russia out of Swift was insane. Now Putin has BRICS with all his cronies, devaluing the US dollar. Things are going to become a lot worse, there’s no bargaining now. Borris told the coke sniffing dust mite leader of Ukraine not to negotiate any peace with Vlad the impaler.
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albion
Guest
The Russian generals will certainly want an end to the war and rid of Putin.
However fear and incoherence will certainly prevent that. The miracle that also will not happen is that Russian recruits switching sides also to end the war. Prigozhin was stupid and should have known that, on the point of no return, marching on Moscow was his only hope.
However fear and incoherence will certainly prevent that. The miracle that also will not happen is that Russian recruits switching sides also to end the war. Prigozhin was stupid and should have known that, on the point of no return, marching on Moscow was his only hope.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
Depends on which one and Putins knows that so he surrounds himself with those who agree with him. Thats why Prigozhin had to go.
You have the 'freedom of Russia legion and a few other units part of the ukranian army existing out of Russians who switched sides ad Russians who want to bring down Putin. It or however nowhere near the numbers to make a dent. Prigozhin should have pressed on when he had the change, alltough Russia under Prizoghin wouldn't have been any better than it is now(more likely worse)
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albion
Guest
https://www.theguardian.com/world/a...skiy-ukraine-shock-russia-offensive-incursion
Putin if anything, maybe thinks it better to near abandon the region, it being Russian outland.
Putin if anything, maybe thinks it better to near abandon the region, it being Russian outland.
sevenfourate
New Member
No thoughts on todays evolving actions / news ?
Scary times......
Scary times......
(In my personal view) I don't see the developments as worrying. Or maybe more worrying that Ukraine's allies are still providing help to stop them losing rather than enough to help them win. West is in effect prolonging the war and thus increasing deaths and injuries on both sides.
After all, Putin is using missiles imported from its allies to fire on Ukraine (attacking innocent civilians) so why can't Ukraine do the same but limited to military tartgets. And Ukraine is not recruiting vast numbers of troops from foreign countries.
I consider Putin's repeated statements about Russia already fighting NATO as being for domestic consumption to try and mitigate all those Russian deaths he's causing. That he failed to take Ukraine and is struggling with massive casualties to make trivial progress to me indicates that if he responds significantly there is a lot lot more responding Ukraine's allies can do.
Ian
Beebo
Guru
He’s using North Korean fighters too. How will that play out once they start going home in body bags.
It’s absolutely tragic on all sides, but He cant moan about escalation and intervention when he started the war in the first place.
All uphill
Well-Known Member
Of course he can and will. Just like Trump.
Truth, honesty and integrity play no part in the emerging new world order.
glasgowcyclist
Über Member
There’s more money to be made prolonging a war than winning one.
As the saying "If you make umbrellas you pray for rain. If you make bombs you pray for ..."
Ian
Listening to podcasts this morning and an interesting and concerning thought. I consider Putin has demonstrated the limitations of Russian military and thus would never attack a NATO country as if he's struggling in Ukraine, taking on the NATO "Collective defence" would be a non-starter.
But worrying thought is Trump and if Trump starts weakening NATO of suggesting he'd not honour the Collective defence, then Putin might take the opportunity to attack a Baltic country is see which NATO members would actually honour their obligations. Maybe an initial small attack to test the response before deciding about further territory grabs.
Not suggesting I think it would happen, just maybe the risks are now higher than I'd previously thought.
Ian
But worrying thought is Trump and if Trump starts weakening NATO of suggesting he'd not honour the Collective defence, then Putin might take the opportunity to attack a Baltic country is see which NATO members would actually honour their obligations. Maybe an initial small attack to test the response before deciding about further territory grabs.
Not suggesting I think it would happen, just maybe the risks are now higher than I'd previously thought.
Ian
matticus
Guru
Why would you think Putin has spare resources to attack ANOTHER country?
All uphill
Well-Known Member
He's already attacking EU countries, just not militarily yet.
